What drives the opinion of site members as to Springbok Rugby on site

There are n fact two real groups on site, namely -

1. the haters of Erasmus and certain players in their postings on site;
2. the realists who reallzed that since Erasmus became coach is back as onw o the op teams in the World

There are two wideranging differences too, The are variations to in the case off the Erasmus- haters, They want all players other than two players over the age of 30 replaced by younger players other han 2 exceptions - namely Mostert and Esterhuizen despite the fact that in the case of the said two players performance is not an issue to take into account.

In the case of the other over 30 players the realists realized that replacement is needed - but that when players are to be replaced the decision should take into account actual present performances and factors like present injury problems of players.

So a new situation developed when it comes to player performances, Ignore actual performances by players promoted by the "hate group" and attack actual performance players based on their prejudices, When all present Springboks are fit to play the two mentioned players have alwas been fringe players or at best on the bench. In few cases the two mentioned playes were used as starters against weaker teams. In his last two tests for instance in which he played Esterhuizen was used as he played in and where he was on the ebsnch Estrhuizen was used as flank forward and not as a center where the "hate Group" wants him to play.

In the latter case the situation is that personal attacks on members became the norm - I am also guilty and decided that he latter practice is to stop - since in the end it leads to members losing interest in participation on site discssions and ths sie is losing members as a result, I want to see change to the situation where personal attacks on site members are stopped and where I was myself sometimes guilty and apologize to members where I also used personal attacks and promised not to do so in future

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It’s clear to see that the WC winning group of players are getting older and that the time has arrived for the future generation of players, to take over.

A person can’t really say now already who will make it and who won’t, but we should always take in mind what is best for the team going forward.

I have always tried to keep a open mind when it comes to my favourite players. Sometimes passion gets the better of us, and we react instinctively.

Instinct can sometimes be a nasty beast, and can lead to aggressive behaviour protecting these Favourites of ours.

But in the end the aggressive behaviour does more damage than good.

So today I say that if our dear Mostert Ou Sous, is to old and he can’t keep up with the game, he has to move on and make space for the younger stronger players.

I believe the Same counts for all our guys. Eben, Stef, Malherbe, Kolisi, DDA, Jessica, Koch, Reinach, Marx, Lood, Pollard, Faf, Bongi, Trevor, Willie, Jean Kleyn, Sous, Lood.

Add the ones I maybe forgot guys and let’s see who makes it to 2027.

The ones that are still competitive and can keep up with the game, has my vote.

But if not, will be sad to see you go but the space has to then be made for the Future Boks.

I believe calling a group Haters is unfair and not in the spirit of the game.

If certain posters like myself for example, want more for the Boks and are therefore more critical , it is not necessarily a bad thing.

We might see things that other people don’t as they mostly just go with the flow….

Going with the flow is not bad, but can cause that a person gets swept with in the big stream of things….

Also everyone has there place and I believe my place is to be more critical and keep people on there toes which includes myself to…

There is no reason why the two groups can’t work together in Harmony to reach a common goal:

Springbok Domination over the rest of the Rugby World!!

In that spirit of Harmony, I would like to add on to Uncle Mike and agree that we should leave the Personal attacks out of it…. Now and then will still be ok, but not to vicious :)

Just kidding … but seriously we should rather seek to work together then against each other.

That being said, Uncle Mike Esterhuisen should be there and I don’t really agree that he will be kind off a substitute flanker !

He is a Centre and Dr. Lucky should stop trying to change players and rather promote there natural abilities and flair!!

"In the latter case the situation is that personal attacks on members became he orm - I am also guilty and decided that he latter practice is to stop - since in the end it leads to members losing interest in participation on site discssions and ths sie is losing members as a result, I want to see chage to the situation where personal attacks on site members are stopped and where I was myself sometimes guilty and apologize to members where I also used personal attacks and promised not to do so in future"

Lol fast forward 20 minutes an Mike is attacking someone.

Show us two weeks of you not attacking anyone, even if they attack you, and then I might believe you, Mike.

Player careers are about 12 seasons on average these days...to replace the whole match day squad of 23 over 12 years means an average replacement of 2 per year...I think we're more than on par to achieve that since the last RWC and going forward...patience is a virtue few Bok supporters possess. ;-)

Is proving you lied about Esterhozen what you call a personal attack Clever?

We can be a Board of groupies, buying all the Dr Lucky hype….or we can be demanding fans that expect great things of the Boks and look critically at our strengths and weaknesses. A thinking Board or just another group of dumb fans.

When did I lie abpot Esterhuizen - I just doubted a dubious claim of a try assist since he did not draw in defenders and just passed the ball to the wing who beat two defenders in the proccess. But even if the one was acceptable - the fact is one try-assist in 20 tests played coupled to no tries scored himself is substandard for any backline player,

My interpretation what a try assist is clear - I saw the incdent and myself believe that giving a try-assist is really dubios in that case and that does not represent the kind of fairy tales you come up with in tests,

"My interpretation what a try assist is clear - I saw the incdent and myself believe that giving a try-assist is really dubios in that case and that does not represent the kind of fairy tales you come up with in tests,"

Stop attacking board members, Mike

So there you go again…somewhere you said no try assists, so now having been outed on a specific instance, you say ‘one try assist’. You have no clue if it’s none, one or more. You are just lying through your teeth again.

Mozart

I will have to be a lie grand champion if I can manage to get worse than you when it cmes to Rugby. What I really liked is that Esterhuizen are credited with a try assist followed by a string of zeroes for the rest of his performances in that test - in other words his contribution was zero in that test.

If Erasmus use him in the RC tests he may be a bench flank - because he produces nothing of value ever in backline play in tests. So now go and try and find out that in 20 tests he scored a try and entertain us again with your lie=-spreading.

Geez uncle Mike you are a compulsive liar! If Esterhuisen is really as bad in test like you claim

( off course he never gives solid evidence) why does he get picked for the boks??!!

Our Backline flows much better with him at 12…. He offloads and DDA only recently even started passing the ball…

Mostly he kills any possession he gets and forms a bloody ruck…

personal attacks like you are preaching, is not only for fellow posters, but should also stop on players!!

What I really liked is that Esterhuizen are credited with a try assist followed by a string of zeroes for the rest of his performances in that test

Even after I told Ou Maaik in another thread that that is the scoring section of the stats, so the zeros refer to points scored, dropped goals, conversions and penalty goals, he comes back to continue his lie that the zeros indicates Esterhuizen did nothing in that test.

Here is his attacking stats: (Pass, Run, Meters, Clean Breaks, Defenders Beaten, Offloads)

A Esterhuizen 7 17 56 1 5 1

At this point it's just embarrassing having someone with 1) this complete lack of understanding of the game that this forum is primarily for, to the point where he can't even interpret simple stats and 2) this level of dishonesty on this forum.

Esterhozen made no drop goals, penalties and conversions….just a string of zeroes….hopeless.

No defense no real attacking moves and ball carries - no tackles made - ,isleading shit Whatyou cnnogt argue away - is no tires in playing dimmess propagating shit again must be an alltime recorD in Springbok rugby . No tries ater 20 test matches BY A SO0CALLED CENTER is just not telling anybody anything,

But his record in URC maches this year 3 tries scored and in the European Cup - no tries scored, indicates that on lower than test rugby level is also baloney, So why is that - the answer is simple he has no ball sense and he is not a test center's arse.

Esterhuizen is 31 years old and De Allende is 32 years old and still produces the goods A real try assist is also mising totally derspite claim there was one try assist in the case of Esterhuizen because he passed the nall to teh wing who beat 3 defenders in scoring a try. But remember Mozart in the match in the semifinal in the RWC invened a try scoring opportunity was never one and Mozart wrote pages about it until it was proven that Esterhuizen producd nothing in tests ever since 2018 other than being red-carded twice with resultant 4 weeks bans.

Te differnce is that test players and experts in Rugby since 2019 regarded have De Allende as the top inside center in World Rugby - but Mozart regards him as shit and in that he is joined by sonme rugb experts on this site as well. If their is a replacement needed for De Allende it should be Willemse - not St Esterhuizen. St Eterhizen has bt produced anyting as test center in any tests he played in.for the Springboks. Ta is why Ersmus gave him 20 test matche to try and get him as a real test center and in te alst test used him as a flank roward where he made no contribution ever/ Esterhuizen was never even remotely regarded as a test center of particular value by anybody other than by the site experts.

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But his record in URC maches this year 3 tries scored

5 tries. Another lie.

Esterhuizen is 31 years old and De Allende is 32 years old and still produces the goods A real try assist is also mising totally derspite claim there was one try assist in the case of Esterhuizen because he passed the nall to teh wing who beat 3 defenders in scoring a try.

Arendse beat no one, it was an open tryline. Another lie.

How long is your nose already with all these lies Uncle?? No shame…..