I'm led to believe that the ABs score tries from structured play and the Boks with an incomplete game score tries from broken play. Based on what my eyes have seen I totally disagree with the former and agree with the latter but hey what do I know, so join me as we kick back and see the ABs score their tries from structured play. Or is it possible that someone has no understanding of structured play(set play)?

As always I stand to be corrected.

Well this seems to be a concern of your’s and given I floated the idea, perhaps it’s incumbent on me to help. Firstly, what’s structured play? I’m not necessarily talking  about scrums or lineouts, although any try directly from either would be from structured play. 

But  more generally I’m distinguishing between beating defenses that are fully organized from a static start, eg from a ruck/maul where there have been two phases before that…the defense is fully set. Or from a first phase ruck where the defense is fully set as opposed to a ruck after a breakaway where the defense is scrambled.

Can the Boks beat a top defense that’s lined up against them …man for man. It happens rarely because our ball carrier at 7 and our ball carrier at 12 so rarely beat a tackle or offload to a player in the gap.

Now NZ, this could be a challenge for you, but let me help. Go back to the very last game we played against them….pull up the highlights and watch the disallowed try by Aaron Smith which starts with a lineout. A few phases follow where Jordie Barret creates a bit of momentum. Then a double wing AB attack forms and Mo’unga beats the first tackle and then smokes Dud Allende.

A direct try from structured play…not a kick return breach, not a turnover. It was disallowed for a knock at the lineout.

But minutes later from another lineout, there are a few phases and the ball goes to the backline, a massive pass to Talea cracks our defense and the offload to Barrett leads to the try….from structured play.

Our tries in these areas come 95% from the rolling maul. So yes, we do score from structured play….via the rolling maul. Of late there have been a few tries from open cross kicks, but generally that only succeeds when the defense is pulled apart already. In the case of both AB tries the defense was set man for man before the last phase and it was running/passing skill in that phase that unlocked the try.

I know it’s inconvenient to go all of one game back to be schooled but hopefully it’s worth it.

In rugby union, the terms structured play and broken play refer to different phases and styles of the game:

Structured Play

• Definition: This occurs during set pieces like scrums, lineouts, and planned phases of play.
• Characteristics: Teams follow a predetermined plan or pattern. Players know their roles and positions, aiming to execute specific strategies.
• Examples: Lineout mauls, set moves off scrums, and multi-phase attacks where the team retains possession and advances methodically.

Broken Play

• Definition: This happens when the game becomes more chaotic and less predictable, often following turnovers, loose kicks, or broken tackles.
• Characteristics: Players rely on instinct, individual skill, and quick decision-making. The game is more fluid and less structured.
• Examples: Counter-attacks from turnovers, broken field running, and exploiting gaps in the defense created by disorganized play.

Both styles are crucial in rugby union. Structured play allows teams to control the game and execute planned strategies, while broken play can lead to unexpected opportunities and exciting moments123.

Mpzart is talking uttr BS  again.   The definitions above is correct  and precise.   The fact what he \wrote about  about Du Toit and De Allende is normal BS to be expected from him.     Both playes pass regularly - but the fact is that both are good ball-cariiers and when they need up o three people to tackle them and the ball comes back quickly the opposition is disorganized and from there the opposition defense is disorganizzzed,  

I d not know what kind of rugby Mozart watch - because what he writes on site and what actually correct  is vastly differnt - he is talking some BS he dreams up and then try and state it as factual.    Since he never see any positive play by the players involved he tries to discredit their comtributions in games rhrough gross distortion and lies,     

What he said about the coach is BS too.   It started when White was not appoited and Erasmus was.   He gave  distortion of Erasmus career in the coaching and rugby managemet positions.   Erasmus is regarded as one of the best and even the best rugby coach in the world - Mozart  attacks him every week and normally rake up BS to discredit Erasmus.   

A classic he came up with in 2018 they should rather have retained Coetzee as coach  since  Coetzee is a better coah than Erasmus would ever be    

Stick to the subject matter and for the benefit of understanding please make use of the English language.

Sorry about the typing errors    I have corrected it.   

No you haven’t, which I guess means they aren’t typing errors at all. But never mind I get the message, you are lying about me wanting to retain Coetzee again. All I said was Coetzee’s record in 2017 (7/4) was better than Erasmus in 2018 (7/7). That had nothing to do with retaining Erasmus, rather it was about Erasmus’ poor start.\

Liar liar - your pants are on fire.   That post had nothing  to do with testa played and your early hatred of him as a coach.   Your wods include that *it would have been better if SARU retained the services of Coetzee, rather than appoint Erasmus/

I  think that comments came from you in the period from March to May 2018 oreven.

I remember that one since it was the most stupid comment ever on site by any member.  ,  

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Who wus coach when we got bliksemed 57-0 in Albany ............. 2018 ?

Fact is it’s complete and utter bullshit that the Boks score from counter attacks and Ireland, NZ and France from structured play implying that these sides are all better and better coached than the Boks

What a load of utter shit

But feel free to point us to all these tries being scored from structured play

"Posted by: blobbok (6007 posts)

Who wus coach when we got bliksemed 57-0  in Albany ............. 2018 ?"

It was our Alistair...and it was 2017...

Thanks

...and he hit back hard 2 weeks later with an almost win vs the ABs at Newlands...started the fight back before Rassie got the gig...

Feel free to actually read my example Dave .. second post on the string. There’s a good Groupie

Moz regardless how you spin it you are still speaking crap

The Boks play it just like every other side out there but only slightly better evidenced by our number 1 spot and back to back WC’s

What’s the slight difference - our awesome coach

Disagree we have yet to learn how to deconstruct a fully ready opposing defense. We score from mauls and turnover ball

In 1960 I watched the blindside wing crack the AB line at pace freeing up Hennie van Zyl for two tries.

In 2009 against the Lions JP did the same thing for a try

In 2013 from a lineout in our own half Vermeulen offloaded to set up a direct try against the ABs.

We have scored structured tries in the past

BS in buckets as expeced from the rugby idiot Mozart.    Very feoew tries came from strucutred play ormally come from broken play and when poor kicking give opportunites from poor kicking or handling mistakes.     He mentioned 3 cases he believe  came from structured  play - I can mention  6 in tests where broken play let to try scoring.   Tries resulting from broken play is It happened regularly in matches - not rare by the Spring boks as well - for instance the try scored by De Allende against France in the 2023 WC and Du Toit's try against the Wallabies/    Mozart did not see those two ries and pretedsed it did not happen.        .         

Thanks for making my point.

In those days defences were half as tight and structured as they are today

We score the same kind of tries as every other side out there all mostly from broken play as breaking structured defences is the exception not the rule

In 1960 I watched the blindside wing crack the AB line at pace freeing up Hennie van Zyl for two tries.

In 2009 against the Lions JP did the same thing for a try

In 2013 from a lineout in our own half Vermeulen offloaded to set up a direct try against the ABs.

We have scored structured tries in the past

I wouldn't categorize those three tries as structured tries, structured tries come off multiple phase play the above tries sound like they were opportunist tries.

Structured tries as described in the summary....

• Definition: This occurs during set pieces like scrums, lineouts, and planned phases of play.
• Characteristics: Teams follow a predetermined plan or pattern. Players know their roles and positions, aiming to execute specific strategies.
• Examples: Lineout mauls, set moves off scrums, and multi-phase attacks where the team retains possession and advances methodically.

"I wouldn't categorize those three tries as structured tries, structured tries come off multiple phase play the above tries sound like they were opportunist tries."

But wait...

Denise's GPT definition of a structured score...

• Examples: Lineout mauls, set moves off scrums, and multi-phase attacks where the team retains possession and advances methodically.

In 1960 I watched the blindside wing crack the AB line at pace freeing up Hennie van Zyl for two tries.- Check

In 2009 against the Lions JP did the same thing for a try - Check

In 2013 from a lineout in our own half Vermeulen offloaded to set up a direct try against the ABs. - Check

On Saturday, how many structured tries did the ABS score, away from home...???

Denise is a moron - Double check.

All three of those tries came directly from set pieces. Structured play. The AB tries on Saturday came largely from structured play our’s were mauls or immediate offshoots of mauls.  Anybody who can’t see any difference between the AB tries and the Bok tries is being dishonest or needs a guide dog,

All three of those tries came directly from set pieces. Structured play.

Structured play involves phase play, involves multi-phase attacks where the team retains possession and advances methodically.

There is no evidence of that in any of your examples.

As for dishonesty and a guide dog........best you practice what you preach.

Case closed.

So there will be many references out there to structured play. The economical method is to let ChatGTP go through the literature. Here’s the result: