Only one Bok makes Farrell’s list of fearsome opponents...

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Apr 22, 2021, 01:44

Schalk Burger, one of only  five players who who made the list:


https://www.ruck.co.uk/captain-owen-farrell-ranks-his-top-five-rugby-players/4/

Apr 22, 2021, 12:03

There's an arrogance that still persists in South Africa. Nations may give the pat on the back, praise the media darlings; it doesn't mean they believe what we believe, it's merely out of courtesy. Saffers are too eager to eat it up, as it strokes that ego, and deep down, makes them feel like they have finally gained acceptance and parity with their peers. The big names of South Africa don't necessarily leave a lasting impression to everyone else. Schalk was genuinely universally revered, we don't have many players like that now.

Apr 22, 2021, 13:06

When did Farrell play against Burger on test level?   How he can amke a call like that is absoluitely s5tupiod since he was taken out of the Final in 2019 by De Allende and Dui Toit and would not admit that they were better than him.

Particularly rubbish from a player that told his team not to wear the solver medals after the fina and you two idiots  fall for rubbish again:   Amazing     

Apr 22, 2021, 15:50

The fact that his father makes that list about sums up the merit of his list

Apr 22, 2021, 18:49

Tokkie, if you actually can comprehend what you read you will see Farrell specifically says he never played against Burger....but always admired him.

Apr 22, 2021, 18:52

Farrell will have played with Schalk at Sarries for a good few seasons

Not sure why the heading has fearsome in it - Carter and Wilko were hardly fearsome

Apr 22, 2021, 18:53

The Duds are a peculiarly South African taste. And as you say Augie, Dud Toit as the best player in the world was just bowing to what our press was pushing. Dud Toit almost lost the WC by not defending his side of the  set scrum against the Wallies

Apr 22, 2021, 21:17

Mozart

You have been declaring against all facts that Du Toit and De Allende was substandard for 7 years and being totally prejudiced and  in fact deluded  on the issue of those two players your opinion is total garbage,     An international panel made Du Toit the Player of the Year ibn 2019 with data your stupidity never took into account - so it had nothing to do with a "peculiar SA taste".  

By the way your lie about Du Toit and the Welsh try was proven to be a lie and  repeat of that garbage show not only stupidity - but a total lack of understanding of the game of rugby,.      

That is why your comments are not only stupid - they are laughable as well.          

Apr 22, 2021, 21:50

Only ignorant rugby followers see no merit in PSDT

The mind boggles

But alas you see merit in powder puff Mostert

Unbelievable

Apr 23, 2021, 06:29

To split hairs over Farrells comment:

He meant fearsome in a different context, not necessary physically but also very skilled, wily and tactically very smart and indeed Danny and Jonny were.

Yes fearsome is the wrong word.

Apr 24, 2021, 00:30

Mostert is a better lineout exponent, a better handler of the ball, a better offloader, a better open field tackler and a much better reader of the play. Dud Toit is  a better pick and go exponent.

Obviously Mostert given an equal chance (which is a big ‘if’ because  Erasmus believes he fixed Dud) is a more productive player.

Apr 24, 2021, 00:30

Mostert is a better lineout exponent, a better handler of the ball, a better offloader, a better open field tackler and a much better reader of the play. Dud Toit is  a better pick and go exponent.

Obviously Mostert given an equal chance (which is a big ‘if’ because  Erasmus believes he fixed Dud) is a more productive player.

Apr 24, 2021, 00:30

Mostert is a better lineout exponent, a better handler of the ball, a better offloader, a better open field tackler and a much better reader of the play. Dud Toit is  a better pick and go exponent.

Obviously Mostert given an equal chance (which is a big ‘if’ because  Erasmus believes he fixed Dud) is a more productive player.

Apr 24, 2021, 00:31

‘Fearsome doesn’t have to be read as physically intimidating. Bobby Fischer was a fearsome opponent.

Apr 24, 2021, 00:56

I don't believe Rassie trusts his primary players like Steph. Coetzee's greatest weakness was turnover ball, being hit on those transitions was devastating, and around the fringes. Rassie's limited gameplan to a large degree limits the impact of those vulnerabilities. Steph is still being beaten easily, but we aren't trying to dominate on attack, instead forcing teams to play high up the field and force mistakes with physicality at the breakdown. We move the ball with very scripted sequences and heavily planned resources for cleaning the breakdown. Everything is about control and waiting for mistakes. He has the personnel to play a more rounded game, but he is too stubborn and unambitious. A player like Esterhuizen has shutdown power and attacking flair. RG has physical dominance and athleticism as well as skill. It took Rassie a long time to elevate Am. 

Apr 24, 2021, 07:07

"Limited game plan"  resulted in  scoring of more tries in any series Erasmus was coach and at the same time  ensured that  less tries were scored by the opposing teams.      Du Toit and De Allende in fact disrupted the functioning of the England  backline totally in the final.    Esterhuizen was tried out and failed badly in defense.    

This contribution is total made-up BS of a kindergarten imbecile  and is nowhere near the truth as to what actually happened in the tests played in 2019.          

Apr 24, 2021, 07:07

.Mostert is a failed  open-field defender and was found wanting when he went to England and played for Gloucester,   When Ackerman left Gloucester they were happy tp release  Mostert early from his contract  - wonder why that  happened if he was as good as Mozart made him out to be?

When prejudiced idiots  write their garbage on rugby it is so easy to disprove their BS on site and to make a joke of it,          

Apr 25, 2021, 00:05

Absolute rubbish Mostert is not even test standard

Anyone who thinks Mostert is productive is clearly incapable of seeing reality and incapable of seeing past all his heart and energy

Those in the know, know that he offers zero productivity physically - the main prerequisite for a test lock

Mostert lags far behind PSDT in every discipline. I’d say they are par when it comes to line outs - both are handy in this discipline, nothing special

I hope we never see Mostert play another test again. I can’t stand physically inept test locks. We need real men representing the Boks at lock

Apr 25, 2021, 04:42

Well your real man Dud Toit’s career was rescued by shifting him away from lock, to flank, where his deficiencies are disguised. You mean that kind of physically inept?

Apr 25, 2021, 09:47

No Mozqart

That is a distortion again,.  SA had an oversupply of locks  and  there was a problem with the number 7 position where the players used was inadequate,  Erasmus -  the genius coach - asked that Du Toit and  Mostert be tried out on Super Rugby level to see how they fare in the crucial 7 position that would also be required  an additional line out option.

The Stormers and Lions complied with the request and Mostert  was used for three matches and failed to make any impression and was obviously incapable to adjust to the 7  position  as his defense was inadequate.     Du Toit was superb and filled the gab that Erasmus wanted filled.

He was so good that in the WC Erasmus did not use him as a normal  no  7  - but rather gave him a roving capacity role,,    As an example one can refer to the role as illustrated in the WC final.    His role was to mark Ford and disrupt the England backline functioning  and that was 100% successful with both Ford and Farrell when he moved to that position,    

Between  Du Toit and De Allende the England backline - outstanding against the AB's  - was totally nullified and  that was part of the reason for the Springboks win the WC.    But you obviously were  not interested in those aspects of the game and did not want to see what really happened,   

Mostert  decamped to Japan when he did not make the grade as either a lock or a loosie in England and has zero chance to make the Springbok team in future.       Fact is the lock Erasmus was interested in as a supporting lock was Schickerling - but he was injured and only returned to play his first game the Saturday before  the WC squad was announced,     Mostert was indeed lucky that he did not return two weeks earlier - as  that would have resulted in him not being in the WC squad,                                     

Apr 25, 2021, 15:14

The Duds are a myth....fostered by playing a poor Welsh team and a totally distracted Pom team that couldn’t even stand in the scrums. 

Apr 25, 2021, 15:22

Poor Welsh team?

Apr 25, 2021, 17:10

I don't think the Welsh team is poor not even last 2 years in Japan...especially to beat France in Paris...even the Scots are going to surprise I think.

I think the coming WC is going to be very interesting...I just hope that the virus does not extend and vaccines will work.

Lets not count our chickens before they hatch.

Apr 25, 2021, 19:54

Mozart

The same Welsh team won the 6 Nations  in 2021 with the same players they used in the WC,  So  they were desperately poor as suggested by you??????  LMAO.   Your really are unbelievably funny spouting idiocy on site, 

  

Apr 26, 2021, 12:13

Kak man PSDT was a great lock certainly far far better than powder puff Mostert

It was a genius move by Rassie to move him to 7, thereby creating far more physicality in the pack but more importantly enabling the starting side to field both PSDT and Lood or RG.

I at first opposed this move as PSDT was such a good lock, but had to concede that it ended up being a master stroke

Read an article by Flannery who said he did a player cam on PSDT and was amazed at the physicality and involvement PSDT produced in every game he played. It’s true, he just never stops - much like Mostert in fact.

Big difference - PSDT brings physicality to his performances, something Mostert simply can’t do as he has been too lazy to muscle up in his career

Apr 26, 2021, 12:18

Imagine being distracted playing a WC final - what a load of utter bollocks

Would that be the Welsh side that has just won the 6N?

Wow Moz your attempts to discredit the Boks amazing WC win are really feeble

We did not only win the final we thrashed England in the process

Unprecedented in a WC final which are meant to be close knit affairs

Apr 26, 2021, 14:32

The Welsh team that wasn't riddled with injuries rendered Josè Erasmus' Boks an archaic and blithering shambles that was effortlessly held at arms length, in like manner to the New Zealand who beat the Boks in the WC. As it was, the injury riddled Welsh side left the Boks desperately kicking to take the game away from their more skilled opponents, slowing ball down at the ruck. We only just go away with what was called one of the most hideous performances in recent times by the skin of our teeth. 

Apr 26, 2021, 14:58

You are totally deluded as per normal.    What do you mean in recent times anyway?    When did the recent times commence?     

Apr 26, 2021, 19:32

Any way you won't have to wait too long before the quality of Welsh side is revealed ...they play NZ in autumn and SA a week later and then on to Australia and Fiji later...that will be a "litmus" test to this senseless argument.

Apr 26, 2021, 20:01

Don’t lie you fucking useless Omelette the only player of note missing from the Welsh semi final side was Liam Williams you lying prick

Apr 28, 2021, 14:16

Saffy, you ignorant boob, here is something to jog your dulled mind:

Then the injuries, which had left them without several key players before the squad had left Wales, began to have an affect with Liam Williams, the Saracens star who had been aiming for his own Grand Slam, suffering an ankle injury.

That crocked list finally took its toll in the semi-final, where South Africa imposed themselves on the Wales team. But it was tight again, and the Springboks needed a late penalty to win it 19-16.

The bronze final against the All Blacks was one game too far for the squad who will be left to wonder what might have been.

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/534177

Apr 28, 2021, 19:52

No Omelette you dumbfuck go check the team that played in the semi and tell me who was missing other than Liam Williams you lying prick

I don’t give a toss what that ignorant article has to say, it’s simply not true. Wales had all their first choice players bar Williams

Apr 28, 2021, 19:58

So the Welsh team that lost 40 to 17 against the ABs was really a strong team. But the ABs who beat us were really a weak team? Got it!

Apr 28, 2021, 20:24

The same AB team lost badly against the same Pom side we thrashed a week later...and the SA-NZ opening match was much closer than the score suggested...ad the slack the reff cut them at scrum time and we were basically equal in that match...one lucky bounce and it was a different match...and we got much better as the tournament progressed...South Africa paced themselves perfectly to peak in the final.

Apr 28, 2021, 20:58

Results can vary under different conditions and factors and cannot be set in stone after 2 to 3 games as we have seen many times over rugby's history.

Wales has always been respected by all sides and the coaches...the fan's might think differently but I would obviously agree with the respect of the former rather than the latter.

Wales is not weak...could be a lot of egg around and crow pie later on in the year8-)

Apr 28, 2021, 20:59

Oh sure and getting a  turnover penalty at minute 66 against Wales with the scores tied was all part of the plan? The Poms couldn’t even stand in the scrums, that’s how poor they were. We took advantage of  their weakness...not a bad thing, but not a ‘paced’ thing. 

Apr 28, 2021, 22:13

Mozart

Bronze medal games are insignificant  and has been so after s the WC was started.    Coaches  often choose their B-team normally used in matches against the minions to play,    It happened in 2015 and in 2019 - two recent examples.

Anyway your assessment of the semi in 2019 is totally delusional.     Before  the ty scored by De Allende there were two attacks which would have led to scoring of tries  when -

*     Le Roux knocked on a routine pass to him with an open tryline in front of him;

*     Le Rooux made a forward [ass to the wing who would have been in the clear.

If those two tries were scored whatever happened afterwards would have been insignificant.      

Aside from that you minimizing the try scored by De Allende and in fact never mentioned by you and when I referred to the try you gave virtually no credit to De Allende for scoring the try,

Prejudice against players is ugly and nonsensical.    When will you  stop being a fool?                

Apr 29, 2021, 20:30

It's shocking how many unthinking people we have here, even worse, how it's indicative of the failed state that is the mother of all embarrassments on the world stage. 

Apr 29, 2021, 20:45

"It's shocking how many unthinking people we have here"

Indeed...overthinkers too...

Apr 29, 2021, 21:40

Never. 

Apr 30, 2021, 00:44

Prejudice against players is ugly and non sensical....hahaha....coming from the guy who said Adi Jacobs  had terrible game against Oz when he wasn’t in the team, that’s rich.

Apr 30, 2021, 00:55

That is one mistake by me - you have been ar it since 2013 and never stopped making an idiot of yourself, in that period,   LOL  

 
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