Not so Fassi

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Mar 12, 2020, 00:36

I read lots of stuff which reminds me of all the hype that accompanied Gelant a few years ago. I have seen relatively little of this chap  but the first two tries by the Jaguars were down to feeble Fassi tackles. I’m unconvinced about his defence and decision making.

Also,  Esterhozen seems to be much more assertive this year. On this form he looks to replace Dud Allende come the tests 

Mar 12, 2020, 01:05

I have watched most of the Sharks games this season since they have been doing well. 

Fassi has been exceptional in SuperRugby on the attack. 

He is a bit like Willie Leroux in that he is both a finisher and playmaker. He is probably also the fastest over 100 metres of any SA backline player. 
He also has explosive pace, a bit like a Christian Cullen or Habana that can step at full speed. 

He has been the standout player for the Sharks along with Notshe who have both thrived in the most expansive game of the SA teams. Maybe even more expansive than the Lions a few years ago even.

Mapimpi continues to thrive and is the best finisher in the game. AM gets better each match, and Esterhuizen is showing top form. The right wings of the Sharks are both good - Nkosi etc.

Some players can learn to improve upon their defence at higher levels of the game. 

Mar 12, 2020, 01:07

I guess you have missed all the wonderful breaks he has made this season

His decision making is excellent, his attacking skills are second to none from the back and I can’t say I recall seeing him missing that many tackles

This kid is pure class

Esterhuizen has been good for some time now - but why would he be replacing the best 12 in the game?

Mar 12, 2020, 01:20

Mar 12, 2020, 01:21

Breaks are fine Dave....but  fullbacks these days are more defined by taking high balls  than making breaks. The game has changed as you so often say.

Mar 12, 2020, 01:23

No doubt Fassi is fast, but Barrett did the same thing to Dyantyi who has speed off the mark but average top end.

Mar 12, 2020, 01:27

Fassi is excellent under the high ball Moz, given his height he has excelled in that department

Sorry Moz you are way off, I find it insane that you are picking holes in a player that is so exciting to watch

What makes him that more special is the fact that it’s so hard to create an impression in the modern game given the defensive structures but somehow he finds a way to beat defenders through pace, a step and the vision to run the perfect line at the perfect time game after game.

Mar 12, 2020, 01:32

Good fullbacks can play at second receiver or cut the backline on the attack running into space or draw and passing to create overlaps. Andre Joubert, Percy Montgomery, Willie Leroux give an extra dimension on the attack.

The high ball is important, but the wingers probably get more high balls than the fullback. Flyhalf 's also stand deep to counter deep kicks as well.

Mar 12, 2020, 01:37

Defence is where he needs to make improvements.

Mar 12, 2020, 01:44

He is very Fassi, maybe not so good defendi...

Mar 12, 2020, 01:50

Let’s face it Willie has hardly been the greatest defender

Fassi makes most his tackles - his stats defensively are similar to most

Fassi played 10, 12 and 15 at school for Dale, but mostly 10 and took the goal kicks

Has a good boot on him, he credits Lambie for taking his kicking to the next level

Mar 12, 2020, 02:13

Interesting. I haven't assessed his games this season, but I have seen a bit of him. Is he a Willie? No. Does he have potential? Yes. The Boks have never had a playmaking 15 like Willie in all the years I have been watching them. The closest would have been Kirchner, who ranked top 2 in Super rugby for assists for several consecutive seasons, though their games were slightly different - Kirchner playing more directly and flat into the line. Fassi doesn't have the frame to replicate the Kirchner model, which was actually well suited to the Bok brand. He isn't a Willie either. He doesn't need to be either one, but he does need to be cerebral and physical. Then there is the matter of the Bok blueprint. It doesn't leave offer a lot for a natural attacker, being arguably the most scripted team in world rugby. So what do you do? I don't feel very strongly either way, lets have an honest look early on and see. If he doesn't look the part early, then the likelihood of him ever being the part are dangerously close to zero. We've all seen this script before, however. Player X is lauded to the heavens well before they deliver the goods and becomes a reputation without any game to show for it. This occurs each and every year without failure. It's this red flag that worries me. 

Mar 12, 2020, 02:19

Kirchner.... On a good day he was OK, but on a bad day he was useless. 

Mar 12, 2020, 02:49

Best defensive stats of any Bok fullback under Peter and was an integral contributor to the last powerful attacking Bok side, the 2013 side. His only weakness were kicks exiting the 22, and the occasional rush of blood. Other then that a rather solid Bok. Not a reputation player, and that makes the difference in South Africa. While big reputations like Damian, Lambie et al held the Boks back for year upon year, without ever being held into account, the likes of Kirchner were viciously attacked for things they never did wrong. One of those players "fans" look for on a team sheet when looking for something to complain about. If Fassi can ever produce what Kirchner did, at any level of the game, he will have done very well. We shall see. It remains to be seen if Rassie has even entertained the idea, one would imagine Gelant or Willemse have the inside track. 

Mar 12, 2020, 08:03

The most useless full back imaginable and even Meyer -  the stand-out coach of Stade Francais - replaced him with Le Roux.   As stated before - if AO writes anything on site believes the exact opposite is true.       

Mar 12, 2020, 13:03

From what I can gather, there are two posters here who dislike Aphelele Fassi.

The one thinks that Zane Kirchner is a better fullback than Israel Folau, thinks Morne Steyn is better than Dan Carter and believes that the job of a flyhalf is to pass to his inside centre.

The other one thinks that the two time SA Player of the Year and current World Rugby Player of the Year is useless, thinks that Eben Etzebeth is faster than Ben Smith and calls well-known international players with over 40 caps "newbies" because he's never heard of them.

Personally I think that if clueless yet loud-mouthed rugby noobs like Omlet and Omellete don't rate Fassi, it speaks volumes about his potential and makes me more confident than ever that he'll go on to become a star . . . with these two clowns slagging him off at every opportunity and finding fault with everything good that he does . . . just as they do with Pieter-Steph du Toit. Tiresome but predictable.

Mar 12, 2020, 13:33


Add to that description of Kirchner and Morne - also the story that Mohoje is a better loosie than McCaw.   Add to that the fact that he rates  both Meyer and Coetzee as better coaches than Erasmus.   Also that the Springbok side who lost all three matches in the SR series in 2015 performed better than the trophy winning Springboks in 2019.

I have my doubts as to the sanity of AO and always suggested in the past that he consults a shrink as a matter of urgency,   I have no doubts about Mozart - he is just plainly a rugby and cricket ignorant.   

Mar 12, 2020, 13:33


Mar 12, 2020, 15:55

Goosen, JJ, Swiel, Papier, Gelant, Dyantyi, Stepfontein, Rohan Nel, Elton Jantjies, Combrink, Vorster.......all hyped up the gazoo. Not one of them has made a meaningful contribution to the Bok cause.

Instead the heroes were Pollard, Faf, Kolbe, Mapimpi, Am.....guys who had some support, but never the flavor of the day support a guy like Goosen enjoyed.

Test rugby examines the whole player and if there are any systematic weaknesses ....they are exploited. Fassi is not that different to Goosen as an example.....the same physical type. We will have to see if the same concerns emerge. Basis the first two Jaguars tries ....they might.

Mar 12, 2020, 17:06

"Add to that description of Kirchner and Morne - also the story that Mohoje is a better loosie than McCaw.   Add to that the fact that he rates  both Meyer and Coetzee as better coaches than Erasmus.   Also that the Springbok side who lost all three matches in the SR series in 2015 performed better than the trophy winning Springboks in 2019.

Add in the description? Yes, add indeed. Mohoje had the better of McCaw in 2014 turned into "he is the best loosie in the world". Surprise surprise that this came from the two members with the most well established reputation for lying. I even bumped that post concerning Mohoje in November, the original discussion on Mohoje which this stemmed from. It was where CC joined in. The three stooges find themselves gathered at the scene of yet another issue that left them bloody nosed. What is it about compulsive liars and the need to retell exposed lies? Maybe Moz is right, maybe there is an element of sociopathy about this. 

With regard to Meyer, I have utterly proven that he was the better coach. Noone has gone into more detail on the matter than I have. As for Coetzee's 2017? It was better than Rassie's 2018, and better in all attacking statistics than 2019. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. If we are going into opinions of coaches, I clearly stated that Coetzee is not a head coach, but is a vastly superior attacking coach than Rassie. I have proved this when evaluating their work which was separate from one another. 

This is really easy pickings. But how many times must we keep talking about the same old topics and see a repeat of the same old lies. The lack of content and the presence of these types is probably why this forum has died down and looking lifeless. 

Mar 12, 2020, 17:31

Meyer and Coetzee better than Rassie

Fuck me that is not even worth a response

One thing I will agree on and that is the overhype of McCaw as a player

Mar 12, 2020, 17:37

Moz Dyantyi was brilliant for the Boks what you on about

Serfontein was great when he played but sadly turned his back on SA

Gelant showed plenty of promise and judging by last week’s performance he might just be back, same applies to Papier

Combrink was class for the Lions, never got a good run with the Boks

Vorster as Greenwood said, was a centre with a rugby brain. Ran great lines and clearly a missed opportunity in SA rugby

He played his rugby like Conrad Smith - just as good

Jantjies has played many tests and will continue to do so

Mar 12, 2020, 18:07

Dyantyi was great.....but unfortunately drug enhanced.

Stepfontein is a bog ordinary Centre.

Gelant has a pace issue....Papier has yet to demonstrate what all the fuss was about.

Combrink has a pace problem.

Vorster faded against better teams.

Jantjies tops out at Super Rugby


All  these guys were looked over by the great rugby  brain Erasmus and rejected or given bench roles. Are you suggesting he was wrong?

Mar 12, 2020, 18:36


Lunacy reigns supreme,   When Erasmus was coach of Munster he was the Guinness Top 14 Coach of the Year - when Meyer was coach of Stade Francais he was effectively fired due to incompetence.  That is precisely the difference between the two coaches.

Anyway - Meyer after being in charge for near to four years could not select a competitive squad for the WC - Erasmus did that within 16 months and the Springboks won the trophy as a result.

Try and find the local shrink and tell him you have serious reality deficiency    Maybe he can help - but you are so moronic it is unlikely to work.  


Mar 12, 2020, 19:31

Moz you are speaking kak

Mar 12, 2020, 20:15

Dynatyi was brilliant until the EOYT, then his aerial skills and defence were torn apart. It's hard to evaluate how rounded our players are in the one-dimensional SH game. Many of our supposedly great runners are heavily exposed once they go north. Will this happen to Fassi? It would be great if he succeeds, I'm just cautious. I recall the hype about Similane as the future at 13. Similar kinds of issues. As I say, we shall see. 

Mikaela, when Rassie was Stormers coach for years, they languished at the bottom of every attacking statistical category. Meyer created a foundation that bolstered Bok rugby for over a decade. Cease this petulant comparison. In every single metric, Rassie comes up short. Just admit it, you drag each and every discussion back to Meyer because you are a hate-filled bigot. Just be a little honest, we all know who and what you are at this point. Also, do try and stay on topic. 

Mar 12, 2020, 20:27

You inadvertently make my point....Erasmus is a genius and he had little interest in any of these players. Can you see the logic?

Mar 12, 2020, 20:38

Wrong Rassie was keen on Serfontein but he was injured prior to the WC. You don’t rate any of our centres despite the fact they outplay their opposite numbers on a regular basis. Serfontein is our best 12 and easily the best 12 on display in the NH, he has been sublime for Montpellier. You rate a bog ordinary centre like Slade but have no time for our centres - it’s mind boggling

Jantjies is Rassie’s second choice 10

Gelant is Rassie’s second choice 15

Vorster was injured for most of 2019

Papier is as good as Jantjies - he will come back into the Bok equation

Mar 12, 2020, 20:44

No not really. 

Mar 13, 2020, 01:38

I should have rephrased that - you don’t rate 90% of our players nor the coach

I’m sitting at the opposite end, where there are only a handful of players I don’t rate

Thankfully our present standing backs my positivity!!!

Mar 13, 2020, 01:48

Yeah, sure Dave. Everyone's a winner. Everyone is a "class act". You know who also liked lists? Peter. He had a whole list of "class acts" that were guaranteed to make it big. Just like yours, his list didn't stand the test of time. The percentage of players who are elite is rather small. If you have a few in your side, you are lucky. It takes a critical eye for analytics, emotional types simply can't do it. 

Mar 13, 2020, 01:56

Coming from you that means sweet fuck all

Morne Steyn - need I continue?

Mar 13, 2020, 02:02

Coming from you, that's hilarious. I see you've found yourself in a spot of bother regarding a certain absence and a little bit of forked tongue activity. Spending too much time in the wrong camp me thinks. 

Mar 13, 2020, 02:05

Are you too fucking stupid to work out who ended up in trouble you thick shit?

Mar 13, 2020, 10:11

Lies from AO are definites,   During the time Erasmus was coach for three years the WP was top class - then in 2009 was appointed as Director of Rugby and Coetzee was appointed ads Chief Coach.   While they worked together the Stormers did well enough in 2009 and 2010 - but in 2012 Erasmus was appointed as Director of Rugby of SARU and had zero to do with the Stormers.

This kind of lie is predominant in the case of AO.  He was not the Strmnrs coiach for years as stated,  As per normal the dolt did not realize that in the three years Meyer was ccoach - he nearly managed to destroy the Springboks.  From November 2014 to September 2015 The Springboks lost 6 games from 9 played.    Meyer did everything that near to destroy the Springboks as indicated by the loss against Japan in 2015.  Fact is Meyer was probably near to the worst coach the Springboks ever had.   Your shit statements to the contrary is contradicted in every way by the match-winning stats. 

Anyway ask Stade Framncais why they fired Erasmus - giving him an opportunity to resign to save face for him?   Why did they send bot Alberts and Morne packing together with Meyer"  The answer is simple - Meyer was always clueless about rugby and disastrously bad when it comes to squad and team selection.     That is why he had 8 unplayable players in the 2015 WC squad of 31.    

Go and see you shrink dimness before you write further BS on site,          

Mar 13, 2020, 10:16

The Stormers were a defensive team, built just like the Boks of today. Some of the criticism of the team from its own fans was that the team was tackling itself into injuries and that the gamelan was too physically demanding. At no point under Rassie have the Stormers ever been an attacking force. At no point in time have the Boks been an attacking force under him either. The output speaks for itself. 

Mar 13, 2020, 10:35

Under Meyer was any team ever an attacking force dimness?   They never were.  An attacking force are proven by the number of tries scored by the team with the emphasis on a reasonable number scored by backline players - ie a 15 man attacking effort.   

Meyer was totally clueless about backline play and while Morne Steyn was around at 10 the backline became totally unusable.   When Steyn was replaced by Pollard during the AB test in Johannesburg Pollard was operating extremely well -- but thereafter Meyer did his best to destroy him as a flyhalf - he tried desperately to turn him into another Steyn-style kicking dummy.

"The output speaks for itself"  

Sure it does - winning the RC trophy and WC trophy in 2019 under Erasmus showed the real output.   In his four years Meyer as coach - never once won a trophy - that showed how desperately poor a coach he was.

By the way was Meyer ever even in consideration by World Rugby as the Coach of the Year?    Definitely not - he was plain and simple a poor coach - won of the worst in the period 2012 to 2015.   The loss against Japan in the WC in 2015 showed one thing - Meyer was easily outfoxed by Jones.   The opposite happened this year when Erasmus outfoxed Jones in the WC Final.         


Mar 13, 2020, 11:16

Omlet winning friends and influencing people in his own inimitable way.


Mar 13, 2020, 13:45

It's pains me to see AO getting is so wrong

2019 Coachof the year - Rassie. 

2019 Team of the year - Boks. 

2019 Player of the year Peter Steph Du Toit. 

When you differ from Beeno the first thing you ask yourself is am I wrong. 

If you are agreeing with Redrooi you ask the same question. 

Can anybody recall Redrooi mocking Rassie in the past. I have a nasty suspicion he did. 

Mar 13, 2020, 14:57

AO went missing before the WCC with the distinct hope that the Springboks would do poorly in the competition.   He would have been back the day after the WC  if that was the case,

However, he is back now and is still as stupid a he always was,   He believes that his analysis of rugby is correct - but his analysis discards critical issues  likes coring of tries and winning or losing of games,  

You ill also notes that  his disparaging of Erasmus is ongoing and in his latest BS he claimed that both Meyer and Coetzee were better coaches than him.    However, when Meyers' disastrous performance as a coach at Stade Francais is mentioned - he ignores it totally.

I have always known that he is a nut case - nice to have him on board since his postings are totally distorted  and consequently very funny,   But to believe anything he writes on Board is dangerous  and my advice to members for years has been that when AO states something about Rugby - just believe the opposite,

maybe I am cruel by responding to his BS - but them it makes me laugh to see how he squirms  top get out of the whole he dig himself.  LMAO       

Mar 19, 2020, 22:24

Just read this on Fassi

Fassis has made the second-most running metres (619) in the tournament. He is ranked second for tackle busts (22) and fourth for linebreaks (eight). Those stats highlight his strength as well as ability to identify the weak points in an opposition defence. Fassi has scored three tries and made three try-assists to date.

Over the course of the year, it’s been plain to see how much Fassi has grown in other areas, and why he may feature for the Springboks in July – if those Tests against Scotland and Georgia aren’t cancelled or postponed due to the coronavirus.

Mar 19, 2020, 22:58

Fassi is thin but he is tall and deceptively strong. A bit like a Werner Greef, Pieter Rossouw or Honniball

Mar 19, 2020, 23:46

Which is why he was run over twice for tries last Saturday.

Mar 20, 2020, 01:35

As controversial as it may be I see a lot of Folau in him potentially, amongst his own flair. I don't want him to be thrown to the wolves just yet, let him get used to defending at fullback and learn. 

Mar 20, 2020, 01:52

I see more of Christian Cullen.

Mar 20, 2020, 02:54

Rubbish he never got run over once

Mar 20, 2020, 16:23

Right..... he never got run over once...he got run over twice.

Mar 20, 2020, 16:30

Ok Moz point to those two times please and I’ll go have a look I still have the game recorded as I don’t recall him getting run over at all

Mar 20, 2020, 19:08

Look at the two Reds out on the wing where he should have got the guy into touch, and another closer to the poles.

Mar 20, 2020, 20:15

"Look at the two Reds out on the wing where he should have got the guy into touch, and another closer to the poles."

Hmmm . . . well, firstly the Reds scored 3 tries but let's see now . . . take a look at the clip below . . .

Now, the first Reds try happens at 1.30 in that clip and Aphelele Fassi makes his tackle on James O'Connor. The ball gets to Henry Speight who scores with Fassi nowhere in sight. Not sure how anyone but a rugby noob could say that Fassi was run over.

The second Reds try happens at 3.25 in the clip when Tate McDermott runs through the Sharks forward pack to score with Fassi not even in the shot. If he was run over then only the rugby noob saw it . . . or should I say, imagined it.

The 3rd and final Reds try happens at 5.10 and comes from a rolling maul. It's very hard to tell if Fassi gets "run over" because once again, he's not involved in any way and not even in the picture.

I suspect we're dealing with a complete rugby noob who has taken an instant dislike to the excellent Aphelel Fassi and has started making up lies and bullshit about Fassi in the same what that he does with World Rugby's Player of the Year Pieter-Steph du Toit.

Mar 20, 2020, 20:40

"Which is why he was run over twice for tries last Saturday."

Okay, let's be kind and assume that Moffie meant the "Jaguares" but typed "Reds" instead. It's either the most miraculously clumsy and coincidental typo of all time or else the doddering old fool and embarrassing rugby noob had already smashed half of his pink gin. 

Okay, so giving Moffie the benefit of the doubt and forgiving his senility and/or drunken state . . . same drill . . . here's the clip . . .

Once again, the Jaguares scored 3 tries, not the 2 that the biased and stupid rugby noob claims . . . but we'll address all three . . .

The first Jaguares try happens at 1.53 in the clip. Bonilla kicks across field to Moroni who gathers on the line and drops to the ground to score. Fassi gets to his man but can do nothing to prevent the try and is not "run over" by any stretch of the imagination.

The second Jaguares try happens at 3.29 in the clip. Esterhuizen and Am both rush too quickly and Tuculet gets the ball in acres of space. The only Sharks player who can possibly get close to him is Fassi having to break to his right to cover the missing centres and he manages to stretch and get a hand to Tuculet who is already diving for the line. Again, only a rugby noob who'd never played even 1 minute of a rugby match would blame Fassi for that try or claim he got "run over".

The 3rd and final Jaguares try happens at 4.39 in the clip when Cancelliere beats a rather weak tackle from Curwin Bosch to score, with Fassi nowhere in sight and not even in the picture.

So no change whether the doddering old fossil is talking about the Reds game or the Jaguares . . . we're still dealing with a stupid, spiteful and childish rugby noob desperately looking for faults in a fine rugby player and an exciting prospect.

Mar 20, 2020, 21:00

So Moz where is Fassi being run over?

With the first Reds try Fassi hammers O’Connor and it’s Mvovo who fails to get Speight into touch.

I really just don’t get your point?

Here we have a bright shinning light in our game - a really, really exciting talent and all you can do is pick holes in the kid, holes that just as I originally thought don’t exist

Why Moz, what is the point, what are you trying to achieve

Is Fassi now forever going to be on your list, you know the list I’m on about - the one that contains probably 80% of our players and of course our current coach

Mar 20, 2020, 21:08

‘Gets to his man but can do nothing’....hahaha, sure. Get’s to his man is the only true thing about that statement. Missing is ‘he gets to his man right on the sideline’ and couldn’t even nudge him into touch. 

Look as a Spies, Watson, Lambie, Deysel groupie I suggest you refrain from discussing the merits of rugby fat, inebriated old coot.

Mar 20, 2020, 21:11

"Why Moz, what is the point, what are you trying to achieve"

Here's a clue, Dave . . . remember the reason he gave you for why he left SA? The demographic that he hated and wished there was a final solution for?

Mar 20, 2020, 21:19

So Moffie, tell us . . . which minute of which clip does Fassi get "run over"? At the very least can we establish which game you're talking about because you've said the Reds and you've said last Saturday and we know they're mutually exclusive.

Oh and if you're not lying through your rotting yellow teeth then it's 2 specific timestamps we require. You did say he got run over twice, right?


Oh and please don't use the Moroni try as an example, chump. By your own admission Fassi wasn't run over and you feel he should have (miraculously) run Moroni over.

Mar 20, 2020, 21:25

I’m still trying to find Fassi being run over - not even close

Mar 20, 2020, 21:28

Sorry it’s the Jaguares as mentioned in the first post on the string and it is Fassi who runs across looking up at the ball, never focuses on the open Carreras. So rather than tackling him he runs past him. The Bargie holds the ball awkwardly high, but no matter he just gets a nice back rub.

The second try is equally inept....the Sharks line rushes up and is beaten by a wide pass. Fassi is floating around marking nobody, but tries to come back to stop the try. He hits the try scorer five metres out with a from behind tackle....but goes too high and Tuculet bursts through his tackle

The tackle attempt was similar but easier than the tackle in the NZ WC game which many on here blamed on Mostert....a lock against a back.

Mar 20, 2020, 21:31


And he wonders why he's regarded as a rugby noob in these parts!

Mar 20, 2020, 21:32

And here are the  stats showing his two missed tackles. Game, set and match:

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Mar 20, 2020, 21:33

Down goes the fat Wallie!

Mar 20, 2020, 21:33

Oh, so now it's become "missed tackles" rather than being "run over"?

Mar 20, 2020, 21:34

Down goes that drunken, self-important and stupid old fool!


Mar 20, 2020, 21:38

So you concede they were missed tackles.....feeble ones....good enough for me. Two try conceding, feeble, missed tackles. Point established.

Mar 20, 2020, 21:44

No, I conceded nothing of the sort. Just remarking on your sudden switch from "run over" to "missed tackles".

Most people who have any knowledge or appreciation of the game know that they're not the same thing.

So, Moffie, just so we're all clear, are you retracting your laughably stupid and biased claim that Fassi got "run over" twice against the Jaguares . . . or the Reds in case you want to flip-flop back to that game because you're too drunk to know which game you're talking about?

Just a simple "yes" or "no". That's all.

Mar 20, 2020, 21:52

Damn right Fassi had his eye on the ball it’s what you need to do. There is NOTHING Fassi could have done to stop that try, he neither missed a tackle or got run over

As for the other try the Argie was already past Fassi and hands him off from behind to go over - no being run over or missing a tackle front on

Moz you are speaking utter shit re Fassi and if he does miss one tackle in all those clips it hardly detracts from all the brilliant stuff he has done with ball in hand

Every player misses tackles and it would be an issue if he was actually being run over.

The kid is simply brilliant with ball in hand, has a great boot on him and is solid in defence

He is going to be a great Bok

Mar 20, 2020, 21:55

Dave, before we move on to whether the tackles were missed or not, let's clear up the first claim . . . that Fassi was "run over" twice in the game. 

Let's see if the cowardly old liar can man up for once and admit he was wrong about that claim before giving him an out by shifting the discussion to whether tackles were missed or not.

For now he seems to have taken the deep dive.


Mar 20, 2020, 22:23

The deep . . .

. . . deep . . .

. . . dive!


I'm off to bed. Will check tomorrow morning to see if Moffie can admit that he has egg all over his stupid face or I need to add another "deep" to that sequence.

Mar 20, 2020, 22:53

I’m just struggling to understand the point in picking holes in one of our bright young talents 

Mar 20, 2020, 23:36

Disagree he could and should have stopped both tries....he misjudged both situations .....went for the ball until it was too late in the first one....wasn’t marking the player in the second one. But still he could have prevented the tries with physical tackling but was left sprawling on the deck while his opponent advanced. 

Against the Reds he made zero tackles, against the Stormers he made 2....against the Hurricanes he made 6 and missed 4 and turned over the ball 7 times!!!!!

That means in 4 games he has made a total of 12 tackles and missed 6.....while turning over the ball a total of 8 times. 

Ready for international rugby? Give me a break!


Mar 21, 2020, 00:03

Oh what utter crap. He was nowhere near the guy for the first Argie try. There is no way anyone would have got there.

As for the second try, being a fullback he was wide as it’s not his job to be marking the centre. The Argie received the ball before Fassi could line him up front on, he tried to get him once he was past him and got handed off

You are speaking shit Moz

His defence has been on par with the likes of Boks Am and Esterhuizen throughout the season, while his attacking prowess has been on another level. His defence is no better or worse than our Bok incumbent fullback

Damn right he is ready for test rugby and it’s almost certain he will be capped by Rassie this year

Why because he is bloody special

Mar 21, 2020, 01:46

Dave he actually made contact with the guy before the try was scored....his rookie mistake was to be laser focused on catching the ball, instead of realizing he had to make a try saving tackle.

And yes he did get handed off for the second try, he went too high....those tackles from behind need to be made low. And what the blue blazes is the point of being wide when you are not marking somebody. In the rush defense he needed to be pinching inwards....another rookie mistake.

He is a fluid runner with smooth pace. Promising, but still callow in a rugby sense.

Mar 21, 2020, 03:03

No Moz by the time get got close to the guy the try was scored, he would never have stopped that try, his only hope was to try compete for the ball but that was never a fair race. He was way behind the guy receiving the ball

As for the second, by the time Fassi got close the guy was almost over the try line, he was never in a position to effect a front on tackle. His only hope was from behind but he was never close enough to get a proper purchase. Even if he had, the forward momentum of the Argie would have taken him over the line.

There was no way he was going to get into position to get a good grasp on the player. The Argie ran a good line, with Fassi originally covering wide. Covering wide because the Argies had men out wide.

You are wrong

He has shown more than enough this season to walk straight into the Bok side if Willie is off the boil or not available

His ability to find space and ignite an attack is special

Mar 21, 2020, 07:28

The deep . . .

. . . deep . . . 

. . . deep . . . 

. . . dive!


Nothing funnier than a pompous old fool who is so conceited and so far up his own arse that he cannot admit he's wrong even when it's blatantly obvious to everyone else.

Moffie either put up the two timestamps that show Fassie getting "run over" (your words) or else retract your lie and wipe all that egg off your stupid face.

Mar 21, 2020, 14:57

The time difference.....remember the earth rotates....the lad has made 12 tackles in 4 games,  with 6 missed tackles.....2 of which were officially recorded against the Jags, when he was brushed aside for tries.

Not so Fassi, lots of work needed.

Mar 21, 2020, 15:12

Bullshit those stats as we have evidenced on numerous occasions are wrong - look no further than Mostert according to the stats not missing a tackle in the WC final - complete rubbish

Fassi missed one tackle from behind against the Argies, a tackle everyone would have missed in those circumstances

His defence is on par with the rest of our backs and certainly not worse than Willie’s

The work is done, he is ready for test rugby as his brilliant form this season has shown

Mar 21, 2020, 15:12

Bullshit those stats as we have evidenced on numerous occasions are wrong - look no further than Mostert according to the stats not missing a tackle in the WC final - complete rubbish

Fassi missed one tackle from behind against the Argies, a tackle everyone would have missed in those circumstances

His defence is on par with the rest of our backs and certainly not worse than Willie’s

The work is done, he is ready for test rugby as his brilliant form this season has shown

Mar 21, 2020, 15:28

Stop dodging you pathetic little coward. All the tries are in those two clips so go ahead and put up the time stamps where Fassi gets "run over".

Failing that, be man enough to admit you were wrong.

Mar 21, 2020, 15:44

You have both admitted his involvement in the two tries, you just put      a rosier spin on them. Brushed aside may have been an alternative description to  ‘run over’, but they both point to a lack of physicality. 

So remind me again, what exactly am I supposed to admit to?

Mar 21, 2020, 16:11

"So remind me again, what exactly am I supposed to admit to?"

Well based on your incredibly childish, evasive and cowardly behaviour on this thread you should be admitting to being a liar, a coward and rugby noob who doesn't know what being "run over" in the tackle means.

Mar 21, 2020, 16:29

"Well based on your incredibly childish, evasive and cowardly behaviour on this thread"

Rooi: " Hold my beer."


Mar 21, 2020, 16:44

Well Peeper, as the guy who sneaks on posters kids Facebook accounts you would know about devious, cowardly behaviour. 

Mar 21, 2020, 16:55

Ag Moffie, you shot your mouth off, you were poved wrong and now - because you're such a pompous and conceited old fart - you can't admit it.

I would have said everyone else can see it but I see at least one of your Gimps is supporting you . . . so hang in there.

If you ever summon up the courage, put up the time stamps that support your claim that Fassi got run over or else admit you were wrong. It's that simple.

Mar 21, 2020, 17:02

Moz how the fuck can not getting to a guy receiving a cross kick who happens to be miles ahead of you and being handed off from behind after the attacker was already effectively past you amount to a lack of physicality

Geez man this is laughabl. Had he actually been run over then you might have a point but.......

Mar 21, 2020, 17:43

Well let’s examine the both cases Fassi was left sprawling on the deck after making significant contact with the player. And the try scorer moved way past the point of tackle. Ergo over..... ‘hands him  off’ I believe was Dave’s term

On review I would call the first try ‘brushed off’ and the second try ‘runs over‘.

And I would call his 66% tackle success rate ‘alarming’.

Mar 21, 2020, 18:49

Complete bullshit Moz he never comes close to being run over

Being handed off hardly counts when the attacker is past you given the line he ran and you are left grasping with no chance of getting a purchase to stop the guy.

Being handed off from behind is very different to front or side on unless of course you are right on top of the player

His tackling stats are not alarming they are the norm, even your hero Frans Steyn has no better a defending record

Moz you are speaking shit and you have made a bit of a mess with this whole ‘run over, assertion

Fassi is pure class - he is the best fullback playing Super rugby right now

Mar 21, 2020, 20:07

Dave you say Willie is hardly the greatest defender.....but he tackled at 88% through the WC knockouts. And you say “Fassi makes most of his tackles”....but in the last 4 matches he has made 66%

And after that garbage  you have the gall to quibble between a man was ‘run over’ and your own description that he was ‘handed off’.

 I’m getting bored with sorting you out on this issue. I have a 100% confidence Willie would have had the nous to stop the first try....and I have seen  Willie make some brilliant from behind tackles  as well.

Get real Fassi has a defensive problem which needs to be sorted.

Mar 21, 2020, 21:01

Moz stop speaking crap, Willie’s defensive capabilities are not defined by the WC

Willie would have made no impression on that first try as no one would have got across in time to effect a challenge

Being handed off from behind by a player too far ahead of you to actually get your hands on does not amount to being run over - not even close

Fassi has never been run over. His defence is on par with the rest of the backs out there but his attacking prowess is on another level

He will be a Bok soon and a great one at that - it’s just so obvious

Mar 21, 2020, 22:11

Dave you have to accept I’m going to have the last word on this.....the Time Difference is my friend.

Mar 21, 2020, 23:25

I think the best bet on this is let’s see what happens with Fassi moving forward.

For me he showed real promise in his debut season last year and this season has been our most exciting attacking back thus far.

I predict big things from this kid and my call is a test cap this year if we have any bloody tests

Mar 22, 2020, 13:31

Hey Redrooi are you man enough to admit you were hopelessly wrong about the Trump election and hopelessly wrong about the Russian HOAX. 

No you are not you cowardly little old toad. 


Mar 25, 2020, 03:18

"Bullshit those stats as we have evidenced on numerous occasions are wrong"

But when we dealt with Lood's clumsy miss against Australia you insisted that the stats were never wrong. That only a f'ing a-hole would be so arrogant to question the stats. Who was I to think that I know better. Interesting how you change positions so readily. You are a total flake Dave, I have you pegged as a total snowflake. You even fought against video evidence of the miss which puts you in the same boat as Liar Mike. 

Mar 25, 2020, 14:19

If Fassi goes low for the second Jag try then the player still scores, only a dominant head on collision would have stopped that try. The Sharks were outnumbered which forced Bosch and Mapimpi to kill the attack at the Jags first reciever, quick hands beat them and Fassi was playing catch up. I'd question Ruben Van Heerden who was the cover defender but was too lax to see what was unfolding. 

What I don't like about his defence is that I sometimes see moments of hesitancy, like Lam's second try where if Fassi had the courage to tackle him the first time it would have prevented it. Granted Lam is known to bump many a player off him, it's the needed bravery and diligence on Fassi's part that will make him into a test standard player. 

Sep 30, 2020, 02:21

Sep 30, 2020, 08:23

Most exciting young talent in the country . . . missed of course by the most stupid rugby noob in the country . . . the same fool who kept telling us Cheslin Kolbe was too small for test rugby.


Sep 30, 2020, 10:17

"Most exciting young talent in the country "

He's good, but that is still a very subjective statement. 

Sep 30, 2020, 11:16

We can only judge Fassi on game defining moments and how he performs when he is under pressure 

Kolbe basically was the reason why the baby Boks lost due a very poor line kick that resulted in a counter attack try. 

Although, he has been working very hard since and now shining on the biggest stages. 

I'm not going to write him off, I hope he succeeds and is is still very young. 

We have a lot of potential at full back, Willemse, Gelant, Fassi and even Kolbe are all fantastic talent. Hopefully with Rassie and Nienabaar we can get the best out of these players

Sep 30, 2020, 11:41

Nope, the biggest rugby fool in the country is the guy that dropped Faf from the Boks.

What ever happened to old Rudy Bladsy anyway?

Sep 30, 2020, 13:09

We don't have the greatest depth at 15. Most are open field runners. Those struggle. Willemse is a natural 15, but when given the reigns, with front foot ball against England, he and Damian failed to inflict a dent. That was the most dominant pack display against England since 2007. Gelant, I like him most. I think he was a little under valued. However, he needs to be inserted into space. Doesn't possess the distribution skills that made the similar style of Kirchner so lethal. Kolbe is a great stepper, and that can cause problems. A bit more spacially aware. 

Sep 30, 2020, 20:23

Listen to this fucking prick - no depth at 15 when we have Fassi, Gelant and Willemse as options

Aug go do us a favour and jump off a bridge you ignorant prick

Sep 30, 2020, 20:47

What have Gelant and Willemse done in the green and gold? The latter has been especially hopeless. Ende. 

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