Mine would be:
15. Willie
14. Kolbe
13. Am
12. de Allende
11. Arendse
10. Pollard
9. Williams
1. Ox
2. Marx
3. Malherbe
4. Etzebeth
5. RG
6. Kolisi
7. PSDT
8. Roos
16. Bongi 17. Steenkamp 18. Thomas du Toit 19. Moerat 20. Kwagga 21. Faf 22. Libbok 23. Esterhuizen
I think this will be Rassies team ( if he goes for a 5/3 split):
15. Willie
14. Kolbe
13. Am
12. de Allende
11. Arendse
10. Pollard
9. Faff
1. Ox
2. Marx
3. Malherbe
4. Etzebeth
5. Mostert
6. Kolisi
7. PSDT
8. Roos / Kwagga
16. Bongi
17. Steenkamp
18. Koch
19. RG
20. Kwagga/ Roos
21. Williams
22. Libbok (Libbok covers 10 and has utility value having initially played wing and fullback)
23. Esterhuizen
Am won’t feature unfortunately as he has had no game time plus Kriel had a solid test
Team will probably not change
Ireland will have a plan for next week.
Will be interesting to see if the Boks run more again or if they play territory.
Anyway, those who think that Malherbe failed, go and watch the scrums again.
He was being pulled down. Totally illegal but the ref wasn't wise to it. Not sure why nobody spoke to the ref...Oh wait, I know, it's because Kolisi is captain.
Malherbe never failed at all. The first scrum of the match was a poor engage by the Boks so they conceded on that one but that’s where it ended
Manie Libbok just showed us what he can do against Glasgow.
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| 3 | Tries | 2 | |||
| 3 | Conversion Goals | 0 | |||
| 2 | Penalty Goals | 0 | |||
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I can't see the team changing much either, apart from perhaps at 8.
I can see not much changes rather than starting with Sacha startig at flyhalf - a much better kicker at goal than either Libbok or Pollard is at this stage and priobably preferred by Brown - that being the reason he wss on the bench. Based on Pollard's injury record and actual on-field performances I do not think Erasmus and Brwon saw the need for inclusion Sacha on tthe field of play than Libbok.
So I see Sacha as being preferred by the coaches than Libbok. Looking at what happened I think in the end Roos will be a definet choice at 8, Faf wass a mess as well - so the only 7 changes I see could happen iro of the starting line up are -
* replacing Le Roux with Fassi
* replacing Pollard with Feinberg Ngomezulu
* replacing De Klerk with Williams
* replacing Kwagga with Roos
* replacing Mostert with Snyman
* replacing Bongi with Marx
Of the above six players would be on the bench. rather than starting, The only two not being benched could potentially be Le Roux and Mostert
The idea in the two remaining tests befire the Rugby Championsdhip . would look at certain positions to play in that series the question mark is whn De Jager and Willemse will be back to play - once he gets back in form - Mostert will not even be be in the squad anyway. The Springboks need power in the Tight 5 and Mostert is powder puff . . . \\
* replacing Le Roux with Fassi
* replacing Pollard with Feinberg Ngomezulu
* replacing De Klerk with Williams
* replacing Kwagga with Roos
* replacing Mostert with Snyman
* replacing Bongi with Marx
I like it.
Just like Pollard showed us against Ireland kicking for goal
Not so perfect is he now?
ave lets look at the Springbok situatio in 2015. Pollard was brought into the Springbok team to replace he ever-failing Steyn. He played extremely well against the AB's and was alrfgbely responsible for the Springboks winning their only win against the AB's in the Meyer era. He obviously fail against the succeding test because he wsas playing accordinbg to Meyer stgratgefgy to kick the shit out of the ball. Thereafcter Meyer brouht back Lambie as fyhalf .
The Meyer strategy in 2015 was for whenever the Springboks got the ball - it had to be passed to the no 6 or 8 players - not to the flyhalf I obce did anb evaluation of what really was the strfategvy in the 2015 WC. In for instance the Japanese disaster - the ball was past only to Burger or another forward of e 4e2 pasases the scrummies made only 7 went to the flyhalf . Pollard did not play in the test and the game plan was a mess.
After that Pollard was brought back intro the team to play in succeeding test and he was scared stiff - as yu claimed above - and playedf the Meyer game. Against Scotland trhe same game plan was to be implmented and Pollard feared he might fail. Fact is with De Villiers out of contension he had De Allende at center. The passing of the ball by the scrunmmie to the loos forwards the plan changed slightly wuih the ball more times being passed to a loosie or De A llende and the abll only passaed tpo the flyhalf when he was forced into kicking the ball.
I still believe the coaching by Meyer caused a potential career disaster for Pollard. He was injured in 2016 and 2017 and did not play for the Springbok in hose two years, The Coetzee flyhalf ofc peferfence wasz Lambie and when the latter was injured Coetzee was hunting for a flyahlf and chose Steyn for two tests against the AB's - wo rank dxisasters allowing the AB's t scxore 114 points againtthe Springboks with Morne only kicking 5 penaklty conversions for the Springboks. After the Coetzaee used Jantjies at fdlymhalf with the sdisasater against Italy in 2017 the expected result.
When Erasmus becxame coacxh in 2018 He called in Pollard and it si public knowledge that Erasmus asked Pollard on how he saw the role of the flyhalf in the Springbok team. Pollard got Erasmus' his full support fcor what Pollard suggested and he fclourished in teh flyahlf position in 2018 and 2019.
Unfortunately since 2019 Pollard was frequently injured and often outt of rugby witht eh result he became rather erratic, For instance at the time of the squaad annoubncment for the 2023 WC wsaz ou for months and played no rugby as a result. According to WC rules ifc Pollard was in teh squad and could not play - he would not be rfepalced. So there was a mess in the earlky trests both Marx and Mbonambi wasz injured and instead ofa proper hooker Meyer was forced to call up Pollard instead of a hooker and in actual fact Pollard's only real contribution was kicking at goal and not continuation of hsi own game plan at flyhalf as happened in 200018 and 2019, In other words he beame a Steyn kind flyhalf.
Morne also had bad kicking at goal gamnes and his line kicking also turned into a disaster. There was no difference between how Pollard played on Saturday and how Morne used to play. He missed 3 kicks at goal and his one relieving kick was a total disaster. I am afraid that unless Pollard return to his 2018 game plan as to the role of the flyhalf he would not eb the future when it comes to flyhalf play. That will mean his replacement will become enecessary before 2027.
Why not just play the Bools team they had less trouble defeating Leinster than the Boks did on Saturday. That said Eluckmiss may not be as smart as the banners imply….but he isn’t stupid enough to replace Willie, Pollard and Mostert with players, some with no test experience, all at once in a series he badly wants to win to confirm our world champs title.
Noobs in mid season form.
There was no difference between how Pollard played on Saturday and how Morne used to play.
Where do you get the idea that Pollard played a conservative game on Saturday? His 13 got more quality possession than he knew what to do with. You're not going to get that next to a flyhalf who isn't distributing.
I think you will find Rassie is smarter than any other coach out there - he just keeps winning when it counts
WC victory followed by beating the second ranked side
Our genius coach keeps marching on
Just a pity Jake and his Bulls fucked up a week later against Glasgow
Perfect example of winner vs loser - Rassie v Jake
The only change that needs to me made is RG for Mostert and I’d like to see Am back at 13
Before RG had those bad injuries his Form for example in 2019, was better as he played full out….nowadays he usually comes of the bench, even when he played for Munster, they didn’t play him longer then Max 40 min….I think that is the reason we don’t see him starting as he can hold full intensity for short periods nowadays…..besides that you will see Rassie start with Mostert, not because of any other reason, but that he is our best 5….Fact!
RG's main selling point is his running and offloading, but as we saw Saturday a smart opponent can read him and exploit it. Witness him being turned over while carrying in one hand and being denied the offload, witness the target of one of his offloads, Van Staden, getting taken man and ball because the opposition anticipated it. Witness him messing up a lineout take. He still feels like a player who's never lived up to his potential to me. Hard when you're injury prone I guess. Same issue with Lood. Can't settle in a side and make your mark if you're in recovery half the time.
Pakie stop speaking shit man - a good offload is impossible to plan against - if the recipient of that offload gets tackled that down to pure chance that a defender was in position at the time
Every offload does not reap rewards but it definitely keeps the defence on its toes
The biggest issue with RG is that Rassie is failing him and his side by not starting him and giving him as much game time as possible
RG with his hands tied behind his back is better than powder puff will ever be
I predict one change . . . Roos in for Kwagga.
Probably right.
" The biggest issue with RG is that Rassie is failing him and his side ". - Utter nonsense as Rassie is looking out for him….do you really know what his physical condition is after he Ruptured his ACL on two different occasions + his Shoulder Chest injury that required surgery?? You don’t just return from those kind of Injuries and be yourself again 100%….it takes time and that is why they taking it easy on him.
I gave a detailed reason why Mostert should not be in the Springbok set-up. I think as atatck coach Brown will point out the reason for backline playing a wider game in playing a weaker Tight 5 that will force the opposiion loosies to stay inn the mauls and not let them, spread out to strengthen the defense in dealing with the Springboks attacking game. Keepong opposition loosies to spread out - while it allows Du Toit and Roos to join the backline in attacks.,
Oh man that’s brilliant….send it to Erasmus, I’m sure he hasn’t thought of that.
I gave a detailed reason why Mostert should not be in the Springbok set-up. I think as atatck coach Brown will point out the reason for backline playing a wider game in playing a weaker Tight 5 that will force the opposiion loosies to stay inn the mauls and not let them, spread out to strengthen the defense in dealing with the Springboks attacking game. Keepong opposition loosies to spread out - while it allows Du Toit and Roos to join the backline in attacks.,
And so, on a cold July winter's evening, Ou Maaik cracks the code for Bok success.
Mozart
No need to - Brfown will know rtthat and that is the way Nedw Zralamnd always play wh en attacking. So Brown will deal with the issue.
Mozart
No need to - Brfown will know rtthat and that is the way Nedw Zralamnd always play wh en attacking. So Brown will deal with the issue.
Mozart
No need to - Brfown will know rtthat and that is the way Nedw Zralamnd always play wh en attacking. So Brown will deal with the issue.
Mozart
No need to - Brfown will know rtthat and that is the way Nedw Zralamnd always play wh en attacking. So Brown will deal with the issue.
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I agree
You don't get all you want regarding forward dominance with Mostert, Kwagga and even Kolisi though the latter is not too bad physically.
I think Van Staden is under rated. Very strong.
I would like to see a replacement for Mostert. One other problem is that Mostert plays 80 minutes. He has a big engine. What lock would you pick to start and play 80 minutes?
As Mike notes Roos on for Kwagga should be a definite.
Faf was not properly protected by the pack. Too few forwards at the rucks at times.
In the backline I would put Edwil in for Arendse and think seriously of starting Sacha. He looks to me to be a calm type with BMT. and bags of talent. Pollard on the bench.
I see poor mozzietard still trying to undervalue the Bok win. Talks about Bulls versus Lenster etc
Hahahahaha. The dope keeps digging. He will reach China soon. 
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If I was selecting a 5/3 split on the bench, this would be my team.
1. Ox
2. Marx (We need him competing at the ruck, where Ireland excels)
3. Kock (Flab Malherbe was poor on Saturday. Although Koch has usually been better on the bench)
4. Etzebeth
5. Mostert (RJ could be a starting option with Mostert on the bench)
6. Kolisi
7. PSDT
8. Roos (With Marx starting, a specialist fetcher "might" not be needed. The Irish are very good at the ruck, but they always seem to have hands in the ruck as well).
9. Faff (Smith should get a run earlier depending on how well Faf is playing
10. Manie Libbok (Pollard could start, but putting him on the bench for safety is an option). Starting Sasha is also appealing, but wait for the next series where the teams are less competitive
12. de Allende (I would prefer to start Esterhuizen).
14. Kolbe
15. Willie (Starting Fassi is an option). Again, probably not enough space on the bench with a 5/3 split, let alone a 6/2 split
11. Arendse
Reserves:
Forwards:
Steenkamp
Bongi
Koch
RG
Kwagga
Backs:
Williams
Sacha (Utility back)
? (Fassi/Pollard/Esterhuizen)
I would potentially have Pollard on the bench, but that would mean dropping Sacha or Fassi.
If it is a 6/2 split, that would only leave a scrumhalf and a utility back that can play flyhalf.
Having Esterhuizen on the bench is also an option, but don't want to change too many players in the backs near the end of the game - given the scrumhalf and flyhalf will probably be subbed.