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Jan 13, 2025, 08:05

I'm still ticked off by that gameplan the Sharks attempted on Saturday. I hardly ever switch off games before the end but I actually couldn't watch much more with 15 minutes to go.


I think it's easy or us to blame Jordan for the lack of territorial play. However, if you watched the game you will have seen that the Sharks hardly ever set themselves up to clear the ball from their 22. That speaks more to the gameplan than it does to the individual decisions JH was making. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.


To me, it's clear that Plan A was to counter attack. I think Plumtree believed that Toulouse would over-extend and that the Shark's backs would capitalise and run in scores from within their own half. A stupid game plan against a quality side packed with international players. And even more stupid to not implement, or have, a Plan B when A was obviously failing abysmally.


All that aside, Jordan Hndriksee is showing signs of being the complete package. He has a massive boot and he's accurate with it. Some of his kicks were monstrous(I think he might have the biggest boot in SA right now). He made some thumping tackles and his channel was solid through waves of attacks by Toulouse, and he stepped nicely too. He really does look to me like he's improving every time I see him. He made a mistake or two, but I suppose that is to be expected.


I dunno guys, but he's starting to look like my first choice pick for Bok 10 atm.


Looking around SA at the available 10s...If you are looking for a guy who can play territory with a massive boot, can protect his channel at the top level and has more than enough creativity on attack...I'm struggling to see myself pick anyone ahead of Jordan right now. 


PS Yes, Sacha is there, but he needs to remain injury free for more than two weeks and get some form back. 


Thoughts?



Jan 13, 2025, 12:07

Agree. What a stupid plan to repeatedly try to run out of your 22. 

Plumtree has had so many chances with the Sharks. He has a quality squad capable of winning against Toulouse.

Sharks to to get a quality coach. 

Agree about Jordan as well. He is potentially a top class 15. 

Julius looks extremely good as well. 

Sasha is a class act. I hope the coaches stop messing this guy around. He MUST stay put at fly half where he is needed for the Boks.


Jan 13, 2025, 14:55

Fully agree, reminds me of the days of Dick Muir and the Coetzee for the boks who just wanted to play attacking rugby. Look where it got us. 

Then, it is 90% humidity and you think you can out run them in those conditions. 

Toulouse only had to make one hit on the ball carrier or just let them make the mistakes. 

You can't play in your own 22. 

Toulouse knew that they have to get distance on the ball and they did that with Kinghorn who is normally a 10 that can cover 15. Wing is not his position but they felt that with his height and kicking game that they needed him in the back 3. 

He punished the sharks with their long kicks. Toulouse stood stationary and just let the sharks run out of puff. 

Plumbers need to go. The sharks simply can't find a smart tactical coach that know how to play the conditions. 

It is a kiwi thing that they believe they can run the ball from everywhere. In the old days with the Pacific Islanders and then the type of rules, it was possible and we know what happened. 

But now that French team has PI players and we have very fast athelitic players but no skills

Jan 13, 2025, 16:11

I never get this exit bs. The need to go through multiple phases in your 22 and then hoof the ball out on your 10 meter line . There is almost zero chance of a breakout because these are always ponderous forward efforts. All that does is raise the very real prospect of a turnover.

Have  a good kicker next to every likely kick-off ball receiver. Get it straight to him and send it down town.

Play rugby outside your 10 meter line with rare exceptions when the opponents defense is deconstructed

Jan 13, 2025, 18:15

Strange tactic but Jordan was one of the only Sharks players that looked good, in a piss poor effort by the team

Jan 13, 2025, 20:38

They were all P!$$ Poor...Jordon included...very disappointing...they'll be better next time.

Jan 13, 2025, 20:42

No Jordan was not piss poor - he kicked well out of hand and was a handful taking it up in contact

Manu Tsituka was also good, as was Hooker

Jan 13, 2025, 21:25

It seems stupid that a coach won’t let his Flyhalf play out of his 22 and instead run everything??

He can Tackle, runs strong good lines with ball in hand and a good boot.

But his game management/ Territorial game can improve. That will come with time most probably.

Jan 13, 2025, 22:02

I’d prefer to see Jordan develop as a fullback option who can cover 10 and 12

Jan 13, 2025, 22:39

I prefer JH at 10 and Manie nowhere near a rugby field.

Jan 13, 2025, 22:49

Libbok is a better creative 10 than Jordan will ever be

Manie was in fine form again on Saturday, far better than Jordan

Jan 14, 2025, 06:28

Yes, but Libbok can be run over by the the reserve orange peeler's mother.

...and he has meltdowns.

...and he is the most unreliable kicker in a jersey that I can remember.

Also, what evidence is there that Manie is more creative?

I'd say the opposite. Jordan steps well and is strong enough to break tackles, and offload too. He does it week in and week out.

In what world does one force JH into an off position so that you can retain Manie?

Dave, you need to look back at match threads of Stormers games and count the Manie errors. I think that's the problem, you don't actually watch the games and simply get the highlights on YouTube.

Ask the likes of Pakie, Moz, myself and few others...people that actually watch the franchise games. Manie is a walking calamity.

...oh, and Jordan ran over the top of him the other week for a score.

Jan 14, 2025, 06:55

Sale Sharks players were sleepwalking in that game, looked like they'd just stepped off the plane straight into the changing rooms.

Jan 14, 2025, 08:51

There is the negative things that Manie brings….

But his points Meter keeps on ticking over. Why does Manie still get selected, if he is so bad??

All I know is that he brings something unique to the game as a player. Sweet and sour.

Jan 14, 2025, 10:09

All I know is that he brings something unique to the game as a player. Sweet and sour.

Interesting. Wasn't that long ago you didn't want a bar of Manie.

Jan 14, 2025, 10:38

He has proven me wrong….like I have said before I am not blind and do see his shortcomings.

But he has the ability to make points when needed, with his style of playing.

Jan 14, 2025, 12:58

fair enuff!

Jan 14, 2025, 13:06

Manie is a brilliant attacking 10, his creativity is second to none

His defence given his size is not a strength but he does not shy away from contact

His goal kicking is a problem of late - it never used to be pre WC

Jan 14, 2025, 13:13

He has kicking issues which needs to be sorted it's a confidence thing but his hands and passing is magic. He breathes life into a backline. His shortcomings can be fixed, his hands and vision can't be coached.

Jan 14, 2025, 13:39

Spot on Denny you can’t coach that creativity

His shortcomings make him 3rd choice in my books - behind Pollard and Sacha but definitely a Bok squad member

He is in the same category as Ramos, Finn Russell, Marcus Smith and Damien McKenzie - all creatively gifted but defensively frail given their size

Jan 14, 2025, 17:39

"He has kicking issues which needs to be sorted it's a confidence thing but his hands and passing is magic. He breathes life into a backline. His shortcomings can be fixed, his hands and vision can't be coached."


Best passer in the game... sometimes overdoing the foot pass/ cross kick, but I love watching him time his passes...better than DMac...pity about his brainfarts and poor kicking and defense...game breakers ATM...:(

Jan 14, 2025, 17:48

"Kicking issues that need to be sorted."

According to Denise, Manie can fix that.

When?

In the two Stormers games prior to this past weekend's one, Manie cost the Stormers over 30 points.

A combination of poor kicking, bad decisions and invisible defence.

The deficit is far too large for the juice.

Jan 14, 2025, 18:00

Bullshit is his defence invisible and his decision making is mostly spot on

Jan 14, 2025, 18:09

I don't think there's an enormous difference between the qualities of Manie Libbok and Jordan Hendrikse.

One is a great game reader who can create a try out of nothing while the other is a more reliable place kicker with an enormous boot out of hand and underrated in his ability to create space . . . but neither one is a patch on a fit Sacha Mngomezulu-Feinberg who is a rare talent and if he stays fit could become one of the all-time greats. Don't think you could say the same of Manie or Jordan.

Jan 14, 2025, 18:24

Agreed Rooi it’s why I have Manie as our number 3 behind Pollard and Sacha

Jordan looks a good utility option covering 10, 12, 13 and 15

Jan 14, 2025, 19:02

"I don't think there's an enormous difference between the qualities of Manie Libbok and Jordan Hendrikse.


One is a great game reader who can create a try out of nothing while the other is a more reliable place kicker with an enormous boot out of hand and underrated in his ability to create space . . . but neither one is a patch on a fit Sacha Mngomezulu-Feinberg who is a rare talent and if he stays fit could become one of the all-time greats. Don't think you could say the same of Manie or Jordan."



I don't like agreeing with you Rudehole...but I can't fault you when you're right...

Jan 15, 2025, 02:29

Gosh and there I thought defense was also part of the game. On the off chance it is Hendrikse is in a different league to Libbok,

Jan 15, 2025, 06:05

Manie has two major flaws. His goal kicking and his defence. You don't let a guy like this play for the Boks in my opinion. 

The occasional flash of brilliance do not outweigh his shortcomings. 

We have Pollard and Sasha and some other options that can be tired. Try Manie on tbe wing. 

Jan 15, 2025, 06:51

Just two years ago we all liked Manie and thought he should get a shot.

He shot his shot and he regressed. Some are still hanging on to small bits of brilliance he produces...but there are still 79 minutes and 50 seconds that need to be accounted for.

The guys that have been watching SR will attest to what a liability he is. As much as I dislike DDP after that knee shot he put in on Esterhuizen, I swear I'd rather have him at 10 for the Stormers.

I don't see much similarity between Manie and Hendrikse either. I suppose that in some roundabout way you could summarise both of them as creative 10s, but Hendrikse offers a lot more than Manie does. And Hendrikse could easily slot into a hyper territorial game plan too because he's a better defender and has a better 1 wood than anybody else in SA.

Aside from a slightly snappier pass, Hendrikse does everything Manie can do, and more. I feel like he deserves that same opportunity that Manie got.

Manie seems like a dedicated pro. I hear that he doesn't drink or party at all while being super focused on his game. That's great and I respect him for it. But I have also seen him fail too many times at this point. Far too many.

Hendrikse on the other hand is able to stand up in a dismal team performance, and put a shoulder in, and fight. He never leaves many points on the field either and he never stands out as being one of the reasons for a loss.

Once Pollard goes it's gonna be Sacha and Hendrikse for me.

Jan 15, 2025, 07:05

I like watching aspects of his game, but he shouldn't even be 1st choice 10 for WP...

Jan 15, 2025, 07:21

Manie with all his flaws, can create points out of nothing and quickly….can Hendrikse do that??

I am not saying Manie should start, but there is a place for him in the set up.

Jan 15, 2025, 08:07

I have a similar feeling about him. He's not a point man but could perhaps offer value in another position. But let's look at it in terms of the Boks...


11/14 - The Boks have the most insane wingers in the world. With more guys queueing up. He's gonna struggle to compete there.

12/13 - His poor defence and low mass don't really make him a contender there.

15 - Fassi and Willemese - Both actual superstars. And if you're selecting Willemse, then you're  dropping a winger for Fassi(without a doubt the first name on the sheet for the Bok backs).

I can't really see him competing for and winning any other positions for the Boks. 

It's interesting to contrast Willemese and Manie. Manie is kind of pigeonholed into the 10 position and not able to compete for any other positions. Willemse will compete with Fassi for 15, might be an option for 12 or 13, and could happily play at 10, too. He's an incredible player, he really is. 




Jan 15, 2025, 08:59

Facts is Manie is the Points guy….as much points as he might cost in game, mostly he will make it back or more.

He proves time and time again to make match winning points out of nothing….like I say there is a spot for him as our number 3 Flyhalf.

Or when the game needs pushing, send him on to rack those points.

Then after that bring on Pollie to close the game out….

Stop hammering on poor Manie and rather think where Hendrikse can improve, after his shit showing of last weekend :)

Just bye the way Manie has already started WC important games, like vs France.

Where without him we wouldn’t have been able to keep up with scoring so fast to keep up with France.

Hendrikse have not started any important games….so Rassie is putting more trust in Manie ATM….

Jan 15, 2025, 09:38

Just bye the way Manie has already started WC important games, like vs France.

Where without him we wouldn’t have been able to keep up with scoring so fast to keep up with France.

Man MP, don't start going down the Ou Maaik road of these sweeping, unfounded statements. The French weren't scoring fast. Their second try only came in the 22nd minute, and they were 7-12 behind at the time.

First man who helped us score against France was Duane with a breakdown steal at 7:28 which set up the box kick from Reinach leading to Arendse's try.

For DDA's try Manie hoofed a clearly sliced up and under which fortuitously bounced into DDA's hands from the French player tapping it around instead of catching it.

Cheslin's try came from quick turnover ball after a French knock kicked through by Jesse.

Manie had little to do with our scoring apart from two conversions. The French being unable to handle high kicks and a handling error from them kept us on the scoreboard.

Jan 15, 2025, 09:43

Man Pakie those high kicks did do the job , so all I am saying is that he did contribute to the success in that French game, fact.

Also consider that it was his first WC ever, and for that he did quite ok.

And just bye the way don’t compare me to uncle Mike as he is uncle Mike and I am Morne’… stop your bickering at me, thanks :)

Jan 15, 2025, 10:01

And just bye the way don’t compare me to uncle Mike as he is uncle Mike and I am Morne

 Morne is entry level, I'll wait for you to reach Esterhuizen level :D

Jan 15, 2025, 10:02

:)

 
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