Jake White hails the irremovable Bullsh*t Steyn

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Sep 26, 2020, 13:03

A great role model for younger players that want to play a one-dimensional donkey kicking game. 


White hails BS Stain

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Vodacom Bulls coach Jake White says veteran flyhalf Morne Steyn still has a ‘massive role to play’ for the team during the upcoming domestic season.

Steyn is one of two flyhalves in the Bulls 30-man squad for Saturday’s pre-season clash with the Sharks, with 26-year-old Chris Smith also in the squad.

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The 36-year-old returned to Pretoria at the beginning of this year after spending seven years in France with Stade Francais, a move which coincided with youngster Manie Libbok’s exit from the franchise.

It will be the first time that Steyn and former Springbok coach White work together as during Steyn’s peak, White was overseas with the Brumbies and Montpellier.

Speaking before the Super Fan Saturday matches, with the Bulls back in action for the first time since mid-March, White hailed Steyn’s ability.

‘I have never worked with Morne Steyn before and when he was flourishing in South Africa, I was overseas,’ White said.

‘I did watch his progression at Stade Francais, where he won championships with them, and he’s just an unbelievable team guy, full of energy.

‘He’s a lot more athletic than people think and the older he’s got, the more he understands what he can and cannot do.

‘He looks after himself, he’s very fit and he’s a great role model. There’s no doubt that he still has a massive role to play at the Bulls and he’s exactly the sort of general we need.’

Sep 26, 2020, 14:14

Jake as clueless as ever

Sep 26, 2020, 18:48

Well the Bulls have just whipped the Sharks. Jake of ours is a lot more shrewd than his critics here. 

Sep 28, 2020, 05:57

"Jake of ours is a lot more shrewd than his critics here."

For once we agree.

Sep 28, 2020, 10:49

Don’t read too much into that game - it was a practice match after all.

Let’s face it there were some suspect selections by Jake

van Rooyen at loosehead, Nortje at lock, Morne at 10, Hendricks at 12 (WTF) and Aplon at 15.

Smacks of desperation to me. Can’t see that combo sustaining a winning momentum

Sep 28, 2020, 15:25

Lister calling out a successful professional coach when he has consistently backed flubs. Funny. I hope you aren't a gambling man Lister. :D

Sep 28, 2020, 15:56

Successful my arse you ignorant prick.

Was saved by Eddie Jones and that’s a fact.

Bog average record as Bok coach unless 60 something % works for you

I guess it does as you have such fucking low standards

You are so fucking stupid you think useless Meyer is a better coach than brilliant Rassie who in your blind ignorance has apparently achieved nothing

But best of all you rate the utterly useless Morne Steyn

All the above serve only to confirm how profoundly clueless you are about the game and that your service on this board is to provide us with much needed humour made that more funny by the fact that you rate yourself as some kind of rugby authority

Keep the hamster wheel rolling dumbass

Sep 28, 2020, 16:33

Saved by Eddie Jones, what a crock. Hell if Eddie had hired. Jake in 2019 instead of that clueless NZ chap, perhaps he’d also be a WC winning head coach.

Jake’s push defence, adopted by Nienaber won the WC....again.

Sep 28, 2020, 16:57

Funny, Jake whalloping Eddie contributed significantly to Jones getting fired by the Wallabies. During the very same cycle Jake won the WC. :D

Sep 28, 2020, 17:42

Rubbish Jakes record in the two years leading up to the WC was so poor that he was on the verge of being sacked.

He had run out of ideas, had no second plan and his selections accounted for his failings.

Enter Eddie Jones and everything changed - so there is no doubt that if you go from losing most of your matches in the year leading up to the WC and then go win the WC with the only change to the equation being Eddie, then it’s pretty obvious where the credit is due

Jake was an above average coach, who was piss poor at selecting the right players and with it all is by all accounts a complete prick and why he never manages to stick with a side for too long

You can’t be a great coach if your players don’t like you

Sep 28, 2020, 17:44

Jake spent most of that year getting walloped so stop speaking shit Aug

Sep 28, 2020, 18:51

Well Jake stuck around for 4 years during which he won the TN, was within 5 minutes of winning a second TN......both without Eddie. And won the WC with the same tactics in the knockouts he started with.....including the rush defence.

Dave you never gave Jake a fair shake, because he (rightly) resisted the pressure to play tiny Luke.

Sep 28, 2020, 19:04

Jake's Boks scored one try less than the All Blacks scored against his Boks over those 4 years. All without Jones. Beat Jones three times in 2005, for a total of 4 wins and 2 losses (1 in the dying moments of an away test). Jones is better? Had a heck of a lot of ammo at hand too. 

Sep 28, 2020, 19:11

Jake is good, but Rassie is better. 

Meyer is useless, but Tootsie Coetzee is even worse. 

That pretty much sums it up...

Sep 28, 2020, 19:23

Jake is good but Rassie is luckier.

Sep 28, 2020, 19:44

Me not liking Jake has absolutely nothing to do with Luke Watson. I’m not naive enough to judge a coach on the strength of his inability to manage a player.

I judge him based on his record knowing full well he was good in his first two years and then completely lost the plot.

It’s a fact that he was on the verge of being sacked because his record was so poor. It’s also obvious that Eddie changed Jakes fortunes at the WC along with a draw seeing us playing nothing of note other than England and to a far lesser extent Argentina

Rassie is twice the coach Jake is. His record in one season surpasses anything Jake ever achieved.

One only needs to listen to what ex players like Dalton, the Beast and AJ Venter had to say about him. In a nutshell a coach with limited skill who relied on strength and conditioning to achieve results, was a dictator and had his pets

The worst kind of teacher ever - you know that one that had his pets

Sep 28, 2020, 19:45

Aug what was the wonderful Jake doing when Oz beat us 49-0

Sep 28, 2020, 22:35

Saffex, I don't buy into that Jake was deliberately poor. You have to go back at the squads he picked and some of the star players he brought forward during that time. It was Jake that got Habana, Steyn and Pietersen in early. 

Nobody knew who Habana was, but Jake selected him only after playing a couple of Currie Cup matches at 13

I think he is a great coach at identifying young talent. 

He also deliberately picked a weaker squad that meant we lost a few games, but that was in the interest of the player welfare and the rugby World Cup. 

Don't forget, Rassie did the same, he had a 50/50 win ratio in the first year and actually had a really good B team that won key matches against Argentina and Australia. 

I don't like Jake on the way he conducts himself in the media, he has a seriously bad attitude and is perhaps a bit of an opportunist, but he delivers and I'm expecting the Bulls to do well.

I'm also glad he is coaching in SA again as he will help SA unearth some more fantastic young players


Sep 29, 2020, 01:36

2006? Injuries: Schalk Burger (broken neck), Bakkies Botha (calf surgery), Jean De Villiers (cracked rib), Bryan Habana (cracked rib), Butch James (groin and knee), André Pretorius (groin), Joe Van Niekerk (C5 & C6 vertebrae), Jacques Cronje (cracked rib), Danie Rossouw (hamstring), Juan Smith (left quadriceps), Eddie Andrews (back), BJ Botha (back surgery), CJ Van Der Linde (Leg), Gurthro Steenkamp (broken hand), Pedrie Wannenburg (wrist surgery), Marius Joubert (fractured hand) among other lesser injuries.

He still ended stronger than he started, with a last second kick preventing an away win over Australia and taking the All Blacks close away. Beat them both back to back to close the campaign and broke England's stranglehold on us. Sure sign off a great coach.

Rassie, the ideas man, without the ideas. The most defensive and negative handsoff head Bok coach we've had in my lifetime. Leaning heavily on that crutch, Nienaber. Taken the Boks from a modern and evolving team to a stoneage collection of plodders behind tier two nations. One big game against a very good match up and a win over the worst Wallaby side in 45 years (thanks mostly to Esterhuizen, whom Josè Erasmus overlooked for the cart horse Dud1, who failed to deliver yet again). 

Sep 29, 2020, 01:39

Worse than Coetzee's 2017 season. One received praise, one was fired. 

Sep 29, 2020, 13:10

Coetzee had no f*ing clue what he was doing. He just thought he would show up with a tracksuit and win games. 

One thing that our best coaches had in common was all the work they did behind the scenes

Sep 29, 2020, 13:23

He did know what he was doing. He doesn't know nothing about the game. He tried to install an attacking game, that the fans had demanded for years, without strong defence. Rassie merely limited the attack and tried to conceal those defensive vulnerabilities. They are still present, those flubs from the likes of Damian and Steph are still present, but the team isn't leaving itself open to turnovers in quite the same manner. Coetzee's model wasn't well suited to the Boks, or those particular players. Rassie leaned on Krutch Nienaber. In the end, Coetzee achieved a higher output on attack and his 2017 stands as superior to Rassie's 2018. That's not an opinion. That's a statement of fact. 

Sep 29, 2020, 14:19

King stop speaking kak at no point did Jake deliberately select a weaker squad, no coach is that stupid not even Jake.

I see pathetic Aug is banging on about injuries - poor little boy, one would swear a coach had every player at his disposal all the time.

Fact is as the record shows, Jake had a good record in his first two years but was never good enough to adapt once the world had worked out his plan.

Fact is in the two years thereafter and in particular the year leading up to the WC, Jake was fucking pathetic. The man had no idea when it came to picking players or how to move on from the predictable bash crash he advocated. Hell it took Schalk moving to Saracens to learn the obvious - there is more productivity in attacking space than taking contact all the time.

Fact is, on authority, Jake was close to being fired just before the WC as his record was insulting. Instead of sacking him they brought in his saviour Eddie Jones and we got back to our winning ways. The fact we only played England and Argentina to win the WC was an added bonus as well.

To say Jake won us a WC is utter bullshit - Eddie and average opposition were the major contributors.

Jake is an above average coach, who’s selections are always suspect. Look no further than selecting v Rooyen, Morne, Aplon, Nortje and Hendricks at 12 this past weekend.

But most of all Jake is a complete prick who is both a dictator and a coach who has his pets. Jake never demonstrated any master strokes in his time

Rassie is on another level, the guy is a rugby genius as he demonstrated at the WC. The bomb squad was a master stroke as was his plan against the Japs and moving the point of the boot in the final. It was brilliant

I’d take Rassie’s 50% win in year one followed by the unrivalled second year, winning the RC, WC, moving to number 1 and producing the world number one player.

Rassie is a master, Jake an obnoxious pretender. Jake’s test record is simply not good enough given the talent SA always has at its disposal. 66% is pathetic

Sep 29, 2020, 14:31

On the away leg of the 2007 TNs, Jake selected a weaker team. The NZ pilots made a joke when introducing them to the rest of the passengers. That patchwork team held Australia to 21-0 at half time and held NZ to within 6 points until the final 20 minutes of the game. I stopped reading from there, as your knowledge of the Boks is too poor for further reading. 

Sep 29, 2020, 15:37

Peer respect is more important than from layman fans. My guess is that the top coaches in the world respect Rassie, and his achievements.
(Currently top of the IRB rankings, and the defending World Cup champs). 


Both Rassie and Jake White have overseas success. 
Unlike Meyer and Tootsie, who were pathetic. 


Sep 29, 2020, 16:10

Jake was close to being fired because he wasn’t choosing the lousy runt Watson....who was totally out of his depth at the test level. And the Bools joined the Watsonistas because they thought they could wrest control of Bok rugby.

It had zero to do with Jake’s coaching, it was political....but it did effect team morale and Jake was forced to fly back to RSA to defend himself hurting preparation.

Jones contributed some nuances to our backline play which showed up in the pool games....in the knockouts we played disciplined Bok rugby.

And Aug is totally right....Erasmus simply fell back on our traditional game while Coetzee tried to be expansive, which all our foolish fans like Biltongbek, Mike and the media were clamoring for....then when he failed they never believed that.


Funny, hypocritical stuff.

Sep 29, 2020, 17:22

That’s rubbish Jake nearly got fired because his record was so poor. Watson only played one test was it not? Hardly record defining

Fact is Watson was by far our best openside at the time, Schalk was never a 6, always better suited to 7 or 8.

Luke was a brilliant linking 6 but had a pathetic agenda. It’s testament to how average Jake was as a coach that he was unable to manage and embrace someone different.

There was nothing traditional about how we thumped the Japs in the second half or thumped the Poms in the final

Rassie more than any other coach has the ability to sum up what is required to beat each side and have a plan in place to do it.

He is on a different level to average Jake

Sep 29, 2020, 17:53

Saffex.....you hardly thumped England in the Final ! That was at the last WC :) 

We were very poor but battled on. 

Sep 29, 2020, 17:55

Some of the ideas Jones wanted to implement wouldn't be viable until the ELVs. His Wallabies were often penalised for obstruction because of their layered attack. We saw some movement which utilised this against minor opponents, occasionally. Mostly against Namibia in our first warm up. To say Jones rebuilt our blueprint is a lie and rather embarrassing exaggeration. We won with the Jake model. There is no way Jake would persevere for four years and then backtrack for the final hurdle. As Os said, the Boks were already running many of the Brumbies moves etc, but having someone who installed some of those elements on the team filled the players with a bit more confidence. That was, in the words of Os, his greatest contribution. Later, before the Lions series, Jones would say that he didn't contribute a great deal. He never did specify what he did exactly.


As for Rassie. There is no evidence in all his years of senior coaching that he has any ideas, or is even on a par with the lastest advancements in the game. His greatest contribution is Nienaber, his defensive guru. Without that, you have teams who consistently languish at the bottom of every statistical category for attack, be that test level or super rugby level, even with loaded teams. There is no tangible evidence that Rassie is anything more than a man manager and opportunist. He likes positive speak. It doesn't always work. Rassie is afterall 1/2 in WCs. You said the loss to Australia was because of garbage coaching, that there was no plan. That was Rassie and Nienaber's first bite at the apple. You always embarrass yourself Saffy. 

Sep 29, 2020, 20:51

Becs you are right we did not thump you we thrashed you in the final

For a WC final 32 - 12 is a thrashing

Sep 29, 2020, 21:27

Yes, and all because of a man you and Lügnerin said should be dropped. Stop throwing cream pies at your own face Saffy :D

Sep 29, 2020, 22:07

Saffex.....we all know scores don’t always accurately represent matches. 


I agree, you well and truly beat us, but it wasn’t a thrashing :) 

Sep 29, 2020, 22:12

Aug what horseshit are you talking - who won us the game that I said should be dropped

This should be a laugh

Becs you got utterly thrashed

Beaten to a pulp by our forwards and ripped to shreds by our backs

True the score line was not a true reflection - we should have scored a try or two more

Sep 29, 2020, 22:26

Saffex...if you couldn’t have beaten a rag taggle bunch of old men, crippled players and youngsters, then you really need to have a think about that !! ;)

Sep 30, 2020, 01:08

Actually if England got over the line in the 6 or so minutes of the great goal line stand they would have had a good chance of winning the game. That goal line stand was  key to building belief in the Boks and doubt in the Poms....and at that time the score was only 6/3 to the Boks


Fortunately brilliant tackling by Mostert,  Marx and even Malherbe stopped them a few times where it seemed a certainty they would score.  I believe that was like deuce at 5 all in the 5th set of a tennis match.  Whoever won those  6 minutes would win the game. Here’s the commentary:



35'6-6 Penalty goal - Owen Farrell , England
33'England STILL with the penalty advantage but they're going backwards. Another penalty advantage for offside. May on the left flank, tries to flip the ball out but nothing there, and when England go back inside, Tom Curry knocks on. They'll go all the way back for the original penalty (there were two in total) and Owen Farrell makes his point to Jerome Garces that there should be some consideration towards a penalty try. Nothing doing there though with the referee, who dismisses the claim. 
32'Still the advantage exists, still England look for room, still South Africa refuse to buckle. Youngs to Billy Vunipola, nothing there. Itoje. Nothing there. Cole. A little more space. England are a metre from a try. Youngs to Billy again, nothing. Wide to Farrell, to Daly, to Watson, but too high. Watson does well to keep the ball. 
31'First time that England have built phases inside the South African 22. They're within five metres of the line - penalty for England. Youngs looking for space. It goes wide. Ford, nowhere to go. More phase ball. 
30'A nice lineout move from England still has a moment of incompetence, with a pass sliding through one set of hands but landing straight into another pair in a white shirt. Still, England come forward.



Sep 30, 2020, 11:38

Oh Jesus Sadsex, Jake set out a 18 month conditioning plan to deliberately leave the likes of Du Preez at home from the end of year tours so that they can get rest and conditioning. 

The all blacks tried the same by letting their players start later in the super rugby, that all backfired and their players were a bit under cook. 

Yes, whites team had a massive dip in the middle and that was his own fault. 

The fact remain, he deliberately left his best players at home

https://www.allblacks.com/news/jake-white-leaves-stars-at-home/

FACT and schooled 

8 of the 2007 World Cup winning Boks got left behind

The players that got left behind

Among those who will be left behind are: Fourie du Preez, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Percy Montgomery, Os du Randt, Schalk Burger, Joe van Niekerk and wing Bryan Habana.

The team that he took 

The team is: (Forwards): Johan Ackermann, BJ Botha, Gary Botha, Deon Carstens, Jacques Cronje, Hilton Lobberts, Johann Muller, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Danie Rossouw, Lawrence Sephaka, John Smit (Captain), Juan Smith, Pierre Spies, Albert Van Den Berg, CJ Van Der Linde, Pedrie Wannenberg; (Backs): Jean De Villiers, Bevan Fortuin, Jaque Fourie, Butch James, Enrico Januarie, Akona Ndungane, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Andre Pretorius, Jaco Pretorius, Francois Steyn.

But he also took some dead weight with him too. 

But even though that was a poor tour you can see the names that had a break out season.

Sep 30, 2020, 11:53

Brilliant tackling by Mostert - that’s a joke, would that include the two tackles he missed

England had absolutely no chance that day regardless of whether they scored then or not.

The Boks has their number for 90% of the game and had there been a more favourable bounce, Mampimpi would have had a second

Rassie ran his masterclass that day, making Eddie look like an amateur

Sep 30, 2020, 12:47

Players of the game: Beast (MOM), Mostert, Mapimpi, Kolbi, Willie, Frans, Faf, Pollard, Vermeulen.

How many of those did fans attack in the buildup to the WC? Add in Louw, who saved our bacon so we had a final to contest!

The class acts were a no show. In the end, no Beast, no WC victory. That was the decisive contribution that put England on the backfoot, something NZ couldn't do. 

Sep 30, 2020, 14:18

So what I'm picking up on this thread is that although we are ecstatic to be world champions, be it unconvincingly given that we did not beat NZ in any of our games in 2019. 

The fact that England blew NZ out of the water in the Semi's and somewhat came in underdone. 

But also, I think the Boks might have had a good chance in Finals against NZ. 

I think the next 4 years will tell whether we have finally found a coaching structure that allows SA to stay on top of the world or are going to continue to yoyo only to resurface as world champions 12 years later. 

95 / 07 / 19 

our results in world cups has also been sporadic. 

So lets hope we can carry on and finally put that to bed and stay on top of the world. 

Rassie is very clever and will find another way to develop the Boks. 

Hopefully we'll see more of the type of players like Kolbe that can we can unleash some attacking potential 

Sep 30, 2020, 16:06

Well now Corn....here’s the gospel according to Moz. Build off the traditional Bok game.....strong forward set play.....a monster defence... .use our small nippy types like Paulse, Habana and Kolbe to exploit turnover ball.

That turned out to be exactly what won the WC final....the Beast, Mostert and Kolbe were the lead players in executing those 3 tactics.


I have been saying that for years and whenever we got close to that prescription we have won. The WC has been our best tournament because we have discarded the stupid ‘expansive’ ideas every WC. But we haven’t always executed against forward excellence and a big defence.


For years....stick with moz.

Sep 30, 2020, 17:48

It’s simple we stick with Rassie the best coach we have had since readmission and we get rid of passengers like Mostert, Frans Steyn and Louw.

And we make sure we don’t miss out on the talents like Duhan vd Merwe, Jacques du Plessis and Pierre Schoeman based overseas

We also need to see the reintroduction of class acts like Jan Serfontein, Janse v Rensburg and the du Preez twins

Sep 30, 2020, 18:14

Reintroduction of Jan Doormat Serfontein? :D

"Best coach since readmission... get rid of passengers"

Who selected the passengers and made them key contributors? And old "hasbeens" like Beast and Britz? Best coach evar? :silly:

You don't think these things through Saffy. You are very funny. 

Sep 30, 2020, 18:22

"So what I'm picking up on this thread is that although we are ecstatic to be world champions, be it unconvincingly given that we did not beat NZ in any of our games in 2019. "

Statistically, the only team that could beat NZ twice in one season, was the 2009 Boks...I might be wrong, but they rarely lost....leave it there for the moment...

We focused our efforts to prove to ourselves that we could beat them...in 2018...and we ran them very close in all the other matches since the 57-0 disaster in 2017.

We were building to beat them in the finals, but England messed that up. I'm not saying we would have, I'm saying we knew it will be difficult to beat them twice in a row and we targeted the important match...which never happened.

PS, that first match was a lot closer than what the score board showed...make no mistake, IMO, we would have beaten any team in that final...but England was the second best team at RWC 2019...and deserved finalists. 

Pps: Look, I know this could be written much more reader friendly but I'm posting from my phone and I'm sure you can get the gist of the argument despite the clumsy wording.

Sep 30, 2020, 19:53

Mostert, Frans and Louw did fuck all of note in the WC - Fact

Louw’s steal against Wales was a positive and that’s where it ends with the passengers

Well if you think things through and come up with the utter horseshit you do like useless Meyer being a great coach or useless Morne Steyn being a great player then you are even more profoundly stupid than I first thought

Sep 30, 2020, 21:05

Serfontein is a slow, small guy  with an inside step which worked against school boys. He is not a test center's backside.

Sep 30, 2020, 21:14

Calling a decorated Bok of Mornès stature a BS Steyn is not a clever play of words, but rather a cheap attack on a player who served the Boks well over the years. Not my favorite Bok, but no shitstain either...Ou Maaik would agree with you on that...I think...but that still doesn't make it right...or even funny.

Sep 30, 2020, 21:31

Enough of your moralising Draad. Also, let CleverMike speak for himself. 
Lastly, I admitted during the match that Morne had an OK game. 


At 36 Stain is proving relentless and irremovable. 

Sep 30, 2020, 21:40

Moralising se gat...you are being a dick again...just stop it.

Sep 30, 2020, 22:10

Lügnerin has yet to explain how the most successful South African 10 of all time is the worst 10 in history! He keeps me coming back, always a good laugh to be had :D

Oct 01, 2020, 15:01

The biggest mistakes that our worst performing coaches have made is to try sexy and expansive rugby. 

The kiwis with the their islander influence are the masters at that. It doesn't mean they can't keep it tough and grind it out either. The are just way better than anyone else when it comes to throwing the ball around. They will always be a threat with ball in hand. 

One thing that we do have is tall, big athletic players with an incredible engine.

Yes, Steph and Mostert might not be the biggest bruisers and slip off tackles, but the ground they cover is like having additional players on the field. 

Burger was the same, Andre Venter was another. South Africa does better when they have high work rate players. 

On the other hand, Kolisi can't even get passed 50 min and likes to camp out on the wing

Oct 01, 2020, 18:34

Steph is not in the class of those great names. 

Oct 08, 2020, 11:08

And you missed out on knowing rugby,

By 2018 the Springboks were in a desperate situation brought about by the most clueless  coaches fired by their clubs because they were useless.   ERASMUS Came in and decided that a re-look at teams was necessary,   

The Springboks played Wales and selected a team with only 5 established Springboks in the team.  This hatchet job team could still have won the game if  Du Preez at flyhalf did not bugger up royally.. 

That was followed by two victories against England - after which Erasmus decided to look again at some players like the clueless Esterhuizen and  put another lot of pretenders in for the third test.

The real sign of improvement came in the away test against New Zealand - some thing neither Meyer or Coetzee could achieve in the six years they coached the Springboks.  In the RC in 2018 Erasmus still did some player speculation.   

By the end of 2018 Erasmus knew which players are not up to standard and  when the test season he had his team more or less finalized.   In 2019  the Springboks played in 12 tests and achieved something never happening before -

*    winning the RC in a WC year;

*    in the RC won the tests against Australia after sending the main players in the squad to NZ before the Aussie test - Mozart and AO had a fit about that - but fact is the Springboks beat both Australia and Argentina (away) by huge margins and drawing with the All Blacks.

*     Unlike Meyer in 2015 and his Japan disaster - the Springboks played Japan twice and beat them by huge margins;

*      Lost against New Zealand in the WC opener - the main reason being that Mostert failed in  making a routine tackle - a very weak defender who cannot tackle players properly as ball carriers are not stopped in their tracks.

*      Managed to beat Wales with a n excellent try by De Allende and despite a knock-on with an open tryline in front of him by Willie.

*      Won the WC  against England after demolishing the England team by a very wide margin.  

In essence everybody bar our two local village idiots rate  Erasmus as fully deserving the coach of the year award in 2019.     They are so stupid it is not really worthwhile to respond to their comments on the issue of Erasmus. 

And AO - Du Toit is top class and made the World team selected by experts after the WC and so is De Allende.  So live with it,   .      

  

      

          

Oct 08, 2020, 11:17

AO

A successful 10 is involved in a team that win matches.    After 2012 Steyn was a disaster for the Springboks and in the games against New Zealand in the period 2012 to 2017 in 6 tests and no wins  or even draws.   Was dropped by his braai friend because of poor performances,    Stade Francais could not even use Morne as starting flyhalf - he always was a disaster in that posiotion as he would not take contact and his defense was a joke in bad taste..    

Oct 08, 2020, 13:24

Stade won titles with Morné. The Boks had their best attack since Jake in the 2013 season, Morné playing an integral role in that attack. Do a little research before you speak. Muchos dankos. 

Oct 08, 2020, 15:20

Provide some reliable info please about what titles Stade won when Morne was playing for them.  Please indivate how many matches was played and in how many Morne started in and how many Morne was the benchwarmer.    This is point 1 only.

Point 2 relates to the 2013 season "best attack" dream story.    For the best attacks myth the point is that best attacks  leads to try scoring and the answer is normally and especially the number of tries scored by backline players if the flyhalf has a role in it.   I would leave out the three June 2013  tests  - they were against  Scotland, Samoa and Italy -  hardly real opposition for any Springbok team.  

So lets just look at Italy at home in 2013 - the Boks scored  5 tries and gave away 1   The Springboks only met Italy once and that was in the 2019 WC.   The Springboks scored 7 tries  and Italy none,    First dent in 20 iro your best attack myth,  So lets go a bit further - for a team to really play attacking rugby  there need to be flair in the forwards - especially the loosies 0- t combine with the backline in scoring of tries,  In 2013 there was NONE. 

So please explain - why was both Meyer and Coetzee fired by their clubs and why was Morne and Albert sent packing in mid\season by their clubs if they were any good?    Fact is they were  all four an insult to rugby,           

   

Oct 08, 2020, 17:53

Draad Morne Steyn was fucking useless

Oct 09, 2020, 11:35

One should remember that we are dealing with AO and Mozart - both being dishonest when it comes to players and coaches.             

 
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