Dud Allende 57%
Dud Toit 57%
Coincidence or reflection of true contribution?
Dud Allende 57%
Dud Toit 57%
Coincidence or reflection of true contribution?
Vermuelen and Willie are probably the best 2 match-winners, but they also did not play much during the Alister Coetzee era. Had they done so, their stats would be worse.
Good theory, but Kolisi played 15 t ests during the Coetzee era....almost half of his starts. And his win ratio is 66%.
Foolishness on top again. Mozart stats do not win trophies - player contributions to all facets of play does. The above is total BS as only to be expected from you. For instance Du Toit started in only 6 tests in the WC and won in 4 of those, in other words his percentage wins is 75% - where does your 57% comes from? What else is new - you coming up with total worthless BS again i s nothing new,. .
Have to disagree Mike
If you look at the most memorable test matches where the Boks had a chance to win against the AB but end up loosing because a key player got injured.
Habana - All Blacks - Newlands, scored 2 amazing tries and was on form that day, but got an elbow and limped off by half time
John Smit - Got tip tackled by Thorn who only got a yellow card and the AB won
Frans Pienaar - Got injured in the first half after the Boks were dominating and we end up losing
Having some of your game breaking players not on the field can lead to match losses
I would 100% agree that Vermeulen is a match winner. To think he is 33, much bigger than Kolisi but plays the whole game. Enough said
It’s their total test career win records Wanker.....enough games to be statistically significant.
The standard view is players win records are totally out of their control. But Corn has it right.....if a player doesn’t influence the win record....there is no difference between players. So their win records do matter, especially in comparison to their peers. The Stormers are much more likely to win with Eben on the park for example.
The facts say the Duds haven’t been associated with Bok success and Lomp is a clear statistical loser.
Stats when used selectively and the BS shines through in this case too. However, there is no relationship between the double WC nd the career. Vermeulen was not playing in tests in the time Coetzee was in charge and missed the many losses suffered under that coach. So again you are trying to promote garbage on site.
So the stats says bugger-all on par with your initial support for the appointment of Coetzee and his flops as a coach. Also your constant attacks on Erasmus as a coach. One should always take your contributions as totally worthless in every respect,
Last I checked, rugby was a team game
What the hell does individual win ratios tell you
Sweet fuck all about an individual player
Disagree......if players can’t make a dent in the win ratio measured over their whole career/normalized by the win ratio of contemporary colleagues... then they aren’t making a difference.
Another repeat of worthless shit on site. You do not take into account the disasters in 2015 when the Springboks lost most tests - even against Japan when they had 3 wins in 2014 and 2015 up to the WC and Vermeulen played 6 tests in the WC of which one was lost. Vermeulen missed the pre-WC disasters totally as he was injured and came from the bench in the Japan disaster. In 2016 and 2017 he did not play in a single test and in 2018 he duck ed out of the tests after the second test against England and only returned to play in tests starting with the Japan pre-season tests,
Under your favourite coaches Meyer and Coetzee the Springbok performances in 2015 to 2017 was disastrous and missing out on tests in those three years made Vermeulen look good, That is why your argument in this case is total BS, The same applies to Pollard, De Allende and other players as well.
So try something logical in future - all your latest attacks on Du Toit and De Allende failed because of the garbage you came up with and most of your descriptions were lies in any event. Display of at least some rugby knowledge would be helpful. And your attacks on Du Toit and De Allende that has started in 2013 and 2014 are idiotic at best.
Wanker. The ‘attacks’ on the Duds prove one thing.....they have lowered the win ratio through long careers. The rest is blather.
If after 7 years of trying and all the time attacking the same players without convincing anyone ever (bar perhaps that co-idiot AO) - is it not about time you stop inventing garbage to attack players on. By now I believe people know about your hatred of the players purely because somewhere in the past they presented a selection threat to the real duds whose selection you supported,
Nothing new but meaningless and falsified interpretations came out in this for years now and O am frankly tired of having to correct your BS on site.
Ironic when your post is full of opinion and pejoratives like ‘attacking....inventing.... garbage....hatred...meaningless....falsified.....correct’.
When all I have posted is a simple statIstical truth....correct that if you can Wanker. Or better yet go to your room with your wanking machine and get a little joy in your miserable life.
Big players have big moments. What do Steph and Damian have? The cupboard is bare. No great tales of heroic moments. There are however reels of film displaying bad moments. Take Steph running into the wrong man, taking himself out of play in the biggest game of the season at that point in time. They simply don't cut it. The production isn't there either. Steph is the equivalent of Damian in how they stifle the fluidity of the team. Slow, predictable phase play. Poor defence. Neither will ever be world class.
They had their big moments in the WC 2019. when real experts and not fools like you praised them as players reserving the honors like happened to the two players were rated as the best in the world in the positions they played in, .
You have cheek to appear on this site and repeat your BS after I asked you for an explanation about the suitability of Meyer an Coetzee to coach tests teams after they were fired by their clubs due to gross incompetence, Please answer to my request and stop beingh the total rugby ignorant fool on site,
Statistics can be ab used in a totally meaningless way and that is what you try to do here once again and it flops once again.
I don't need to talk about their club records when they have test records. This isn't hypothetical, it's a fact with verifiable data. That's why I win; you lose.
Wanker one can’t abuse raw data....matches won/ matches lost.....it’s a fact. Somewhere in your for fog shrouded brain you recall somebody saying stats can be manipulated, which is true....but raw data is simply raw data
Which you choose to ignore because you don’t like what is implied. The facts say unequivocally that playing the Duds is associated with a significantly lower chance of success. There may be other reasons for that.....or not. But the facts are indisputable.
Especially when you put so much ball in their hands, and rely on them defensively. You can line all the data points together to better understand the nature of their contributions. Does that stand upto video scrutiny? Yes it does. It would be case closed, but the Church of Josè are too stubborn to accept the truth.
If the Club fired them for gross incompetence on club level - how the hell can they better on test level? Only fools will agree with your statement because you are the leader of the fools in your area.
You can come up with some real data - but you are too stupid to understand that data. In tyhe foist instance to understand that strategic kicking is part and parcel of attacking rugby, Secondly you think if kicks as routine practice under Meyer - the problem being that Meyer never heard or learned of the concept of Strategic Kicks.
The other thing you are silly is that you ignore the most important objective of rugby - namely the scoring of tries and of those there were more than enough under Erasmus. Carrying the ball around without being successful in scoring tries is meaningless and under Erasmus there were more than enough of those,
The fact is that stats are abused by you and have been regularly so in the past, First of all as Saffex pointed out that rugby is a team sport - teams lose matches not individual players, Stats on winning for losing of matches rugby on that score are totally meaningless when coming to evaluation of individual players and even a seven-year old kid will understand that - but you are too rugby illiterate to understand that,
Secondly and that is most important function of those stats are for evaluating the coaches, Both Meyer nd Coetzee was -
* in the case of Meyer he was told that hos contract will not be renewed after 2015 - so he was effectively discarded as coach of the Springboks;
* Coetzee was fired by SARU; and
* both were fired for gross incompetence by the clubs they subsequently coached.
If you really understand that you must agree with me that the specific stats you are trying to use - prove that both coaches were a reason for their effective termination of services.
In any event what you try to prove with those stats is why it is called Statistical Abuse, You should be ashamed of yourself for what you did..
You are too stupid to discuss this topic....refrain.
Your deductions om this case was nor stupid - it was total rugby idiocy. Whatever issue has been discussed for years now and especially those started by you have been turned by you into attacks on certain players and individual members - have you got nothing else to contribute?
Okay summarize your contributions......what have you come up with, other than Rassie good Coetzee bad, Stephanie good Vermeulen bad....and variations of the same.
I never said that Vermeulen was bad - I merely said that in Meyer and Coetzee disaster years Vermeulen was out of the game for near to three years, That was why your calculation is total BS. May I add that the test history of Meyer and Coetzee from 2015 to 2017 was extremely poor and a discredit to SA Rugby they are in fact the worst two coaches in the history of Springbok Rugby,
I do not waste time for near to seven years in criticizing players who are regarded by experts worldwide as top class players and your methods of trying to find incidence in games to criticize some players knowing full well that all viewers saw the games and see the shortcomings of some players that did make real mistakes in games, in respect of which you are deadly silent. In the play-offs and final Le Roux was poor in ball handling and if you were really interested in performances you would have dealt with that as well, You obviously are only out to attack players you dislike.
Be assured your BS has after your seven years campaign has convinced only one member that you are correct and that is the village idiot AO who knows even less about rugby than a five year old kid.
You dumped on Vermeulen for years you disgusting liar.....deny it again and I’ll paste the Board full of your rubbish.
You are the liar. The only time I referred to Vermeulen was when he he did quit the Springboks squad in 2018 to go an play in Japan and not playing in the RC, It had nothing to do with his performance as a player at all, And then there was your routine tirade against De Allende about the AB try in the Wellington match and I pointed out that Vermeulen spilled the ball which caused the possession loss and the try. I did not write BS sagas about what happened the way you do.
Find the quotes - otherwise I would accept that it is just a normal Mozart lie agai n.
Just a few from a huge list. You have been a broken record on Vermeulen .....I have likewise been critical of the Duds.....but unlike you I don’t pretend I never was critical.
So I repeat What have you ever said that’s original or analytical.
The huge list is nonsense - those were the only comments you could find. Two of the three dealt with the fact that Vermeulen barely played rugby for three years and the fact that he ducked out of tests in 2018 and did not play in most of the tests that year - something I did mention myself as having written, The third was an attack on Meyer - who used Spies at number 8 and not Vermeulen.
The one where I did mention Toulon was clear as well - Vermeulen due to injuries missed at least 35% of the games the club played in the period and due to injuries was not available for Springbok selection. Not all French Top 14 games of Toulon was on SA TV and the few I did saw did not really show Vermeulen in a positive light. He actually played for the Club in 68 games and in those he scored only 2 tries. All I did say is that I saw nothing showing strong contributions by Vermeulen in the few Toulon games I did see - but I did not say he le t the team down.
Must say very poor effort on your part and not dealing with actual performances at all.. I never attack Vermeulen on the basis of actual performances on the field of play and never study games to find some instance where I imagined he made mistakes - your habit for at least seven years years in matches when it comes to your pet hate players.
In any event nobody could be as bad as you are when dealing with real rugby issues and misinterpretation of what other members write on site,
Absolute bullshit Moz, individual win ratios within a team game tell you sweet stuff all
A player is judged by his individual performance within in the team regardless of how well the side did as a whole.
A player could have an absolute blinder and still end up in a losing side. It happens all the time