DDA Chasing play

Did anybody else notice how DDA has basically given up on trying to keep up with play?

On so many occasions on Saturday, something happens and the backs make some ground, and old DDA doesn't even try to keep up.

Here is the Williams breakout for the Bok's third try...

Check vir ou Damie. Bro's is chilling but Williams has already travelled 10m. He ends up jogging behind play somewhere in the middle of the field while Williams, Edwil, Nortje Fassi, and ultimately Moodie scroe the try.

Now, for the sake of being objective, below is a pic of DDA doing something right. He crab runs a bit, picks a Georgian defender, draws him, opens up a gap for Koch who offloads to Pollock. He needs to just do more of that. He only ever crash balls, they gang tackle him and steal the ball or slow momentum. It makes no sense to me that he hardly ever bluffs contact and instead commits a defender and then a passes.

His crash ball versus what you see in the pic above ratio is...I'm sure it must be like 8 to 1. I don't get it.

Anyhoos, Williams is nuts. He has mega acceleration and is at minimum in the top 3% of fastest players.

We are asked to believe that Brown has brought, I don't know, something or other to the Bok backplay. What do we have though? Crashball upon crashball, and then the little set move with 10 --> 12 and then 10 wraps around to receive the deep back pass behind from 12 again before spreading it wide. Even the Italians had it just about figured out as they damn near trapped Manie in possession on the wraparound with the Boks first try in the second Italian outing. Oh, and the 3 man skip pass to force our wings out of space, but that was a staple before Brown got involved.

Damian doesn't chase play. The best example of that remains Goodhue accelerating past him in the 2019 RC round 2 match to set up an All Black try when all DDA had to do was stay between Barrett and Goodhue to block the pass. Instead he jogged after play like he was on his way to a lineout.

The B S s always the same - De Allemde must be replaced by Etsterhuizen who never showed any real performnce as test center in tests so they accuse De Allemde of things Esterhuizen specialize in. Real and supreme idiocy supreme.

The site idiots have omly onme topic the write total BS about and that is De Allende - whatever they say represnets about a third of their total site contrbutions And it is total shit they apparently think is true, LMAO .

Pathetic

Thats exactly what I thought, Dave.

I mean, he's so far behind play that he's barely in the shot.

6 crashball runs….time to move on, we can’t improve our backline play with this robot at 12. If we want to play him, stick with the box kicks, nothing new will happen until he is gone. We will be conservative and occasionally Arendse and Kolbe will get turnover ball putting lipstick on the pig.

DA is a class act and he is here to stay until he calls it a day

Best 12 in the game for much of the past 5 years or more

Dave, you have very little credibility left.

You, stamping your foot and making declarations in the face of hard evidence, doesn't mean much.

Why not address the screenshot above and actually comment on why exactly DDA is that slow to react? Why guys like Eben and Nortje are already accelerating while DDA is still completely stationary...standing upright and hasn't even started to react.

And then, if you go and watch the clip you actually see him having given up and being miles behind play. Literally jogging far behind everybody else.

Then I could ask you why he never seems to be there in a breakout. And you'll stamp that little foot and call "bullshit" but when I ask you to go and find the Bok tries resultant from breakouts and to show me the ones where DDA actually kept up with play and was somehow involved in the try...you won't be able to show me any. And this is after 80 tests.

But you'll stomp your little foot and demand we respect your rugby acumen, telling us all what noobs we are.

All the Bok tries are on line, Davie boy. If there was evidence, it would be very easy for you to find.

Now, do you see why you have little/no credibility left?

Plum, you and a few on here's take on DdA is about as credible as Ou Maaik's take on AE...at lest you and Maaik agree on Manie... ;-)

Okay, Draad...

I'll accept your statement.

All I ask is that you take the responsibility and go and find me the tries where DDA kept up with play and had a hand in the try.

If my take is that outrageous, perfect. Something that crazy would be easy to prove wrong.

...will you take the challenge or will you rest on ambiguity?

Nah Draad, major difference is, as in this thread, we provide actual evidence of what we're talking about. Games, plays, anyone can go verify. Ou Maaik just makes shit up. It's not even close to the same thing.

You guys simply don't take the trouble to actually check anything and formulate a cohesive counter argument. At least Dave sometimes does that, when he's not in one of his MOODS :)

I'm not here to argue P&P, but what I do know is that a certain portion of this site's posters have few pet hates...PSDT, Kolisi, DdA and Lood...some on the other side dislike Mostert, New Mostert and ...AE and a few others...if you watch a game with the only purpose of pouncing on a player if he makes a few mistakes, you are gonna find plenty of errors....PSDT had a few massive games when it really counted...all forgotten as soon as you lot see a wee mistake somewhere...and it's been going on for years...same with Beeno's take on Matfield and Moz's pet hate of Jaque Fourie...pure bias backed up by a few anecdotal mistakes...when I see this nonsense I just skip over it without comment most of the time...life is too short...we are and have been No1 in the world more often than not since 2019, yet some on here complain like a bunch of old ladies...it gets to the point that I ignore the nonsense straight up, without even checking the validity of some of the arguments...I simply don't have the time...I've learned over the years to follow my gut...never ever let me down yet...so excuse me if I ignore the constant doom and gloom.

Go Bokke!

And there you go, Draad, off into the land of ambiguity.

I laid down a simply challenge.

Pakie and Plum

Whenever you two comes up with anything it is not based on facts - it is based on shit you dream up. So I aslk you if Esterhuizen I cannot remember any other center in the History of Springbok rugby after 20 tests has not scored a single try - neither assist in scorng of a try. I cannot remember a lock pushed off the ball at breakdowns by back line players. His performances in tests often puts the Springboks at a disadvanrage and in 2019 where abckline players ran strai ght through piss poor tackling attempts - which Mozart and piss brain Pakie blamed on Du Toit, who happened to cover t he next player in the attacking line near enough to the scene for Mozart and you to blame Du Toit for the Mostert failures,

When people differ from your shit Pakie accused me of the same thing he is guilty about on site,

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Now Draad that’s believable….you ‘follow’ your gut. First the gut enters the room….wait for it, wait for it…then the rest of Draad makes an appearance.

Ja, ja Moz, ridicule and belittle all you like...it's no skin off my back...and no matter how much you deride and belittle my Bokke, I still enjoy my rugby...and although we will slip off the crest again sometime in the near future, I'm eenjoying the ride of success ATM...7 glorious years...who would have thought that was possible after the nonsense Meyer and Toetie dished up for 6 long years of mediocrity.

https://www.google.com/search?q=de+alend+kolby+try&oq=de+alend+kolby+try&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEyNzY5ajBqN6gCD7ACAQ&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&scso=_8mSAaIqfGdHQhbIPh_O98QE_76:292&vld=cid:3bda8207,vid:purrLLSk8vo,st:0

Soek en jy sal vind Plum...good or bad...it's a matter of perspective and attitude...

That is De Allende receiving a ball and going in between two players and passing to Kolbe.

Jy't gesoek, maar jy't nie gevind nie.

I asked you to show me a single try where there is a break and DDA keeps up with play...which is what this thread is about.

Well he scored a ty in the est against Itay and also had a try assist in the same tet - so he was in teh ight positon to cause that to happen. De Allende is routienely in such a position - your choice Esterhuisen never is and that s the reason why he cannot score tries neither assist in scoring of tries, BS remains the core of your attacks on De Allende - but wwhat you accuse De Allende of is exactly what Esterhuizen is guily of sinmce he ahs zero ball sense and deficient ball skills as well, What you accuse De Allende of is what is totally the case of Esterhuizen.

Esterhuizeb was given ample opportuniies os how he is a top class cneter - but all e produced was BS supreme. I believe Erasms is an expert coach wh now what is expeced from players - ut according t our ositngs he is not a coach's arse, . .

Plum, I searched for that try, because it was a clear positive contribution I could recall well...as for keeping up with play...you're barking up the wrong tree in your effort to discredit him at all cost. Are you trying to say that he is either too slow or too lazy to keep up? How does this tie in with the Bokke's defensive systems for sudden turned over possession? DdA is doing what the coaching team expects of him, that's why his still the incumbent even with a great player like AE as an alternative...they have access to all the GPS telemetry we never even see or analyze.

You,Moz and a few others are telling us the coaching team is wrong with their selections and playing style, you know better...I rather trust the coaching team on the back of close to 7 years of exelent results...I didn't watch the game on Saturday...checked in on the first half on my phone while I was watching MMA...I definitely not going to watch the matcch now just to prove some silly point. Let's wait for the Ausie tests and discuss his performance then...in the meantime I'll go with my big fat gut...intuitive perception...never failed me in 54 years. ;-)

Plum, I searched for that try, because it was a clear positive contribution I could recall well...as for keeping up with play...you're barking up the wrong tree in your effort to discredit him at all cost. Are you trying to say that he is either too slow or too lazy to keep up? How does this tie in with the Bokke's defensive systems for sudden turned over possession? DdA is doing what the coaching team expects of him, that's why his still the incumbent even with a great player like AE as an alternative...they have access to all the GPS telemetry we never even see or analyze.

You,Moz and a few others are telling us the coaching team is wrong with their selections and playing style, you know better...I rather trust the coaching team on the back of close to 7 years of exelent results...I didn't watch the game on Saturday...checked in on the first half on my phone while I was watching MMA...I definitely not going to watch the matcch now just to prove some silly point. Let's wait for the Ausie tests and discuss his performance then...in the meantime I'll go with my big fat gut...intuitive perception...never failed me in 54 years. ;-)

"Plum, I searched for that try, because it was a clear positive contribution I could recall well...as for keeping up with play...you're barking up the wrong tree in your effort to discredit him at all cost. Are you trying to say that he is either too slow or too lazy to keep up? How does this tie in with the Bokke's defensive systems for sudden turned over possession? DDA is doing what the coaching team expects of him, that's why his still the incumbent even with a great player like AE as an alternative...they have access to all the GPS telemetry we never even see or analyze."

Nah. you're just avoiding the fact that he doesn't keep with play. DDA is where he is and he gets involved in rucks that are near him. That's about it.

The Bok dominant tackle stats are far higher than everybody else's. But one would have to assume that despite his relatively low numbers, DDA's tackles contribute sufficiently to that. Yes, when people run into him he stops them.

- James Parsons

"“I’ve tried to look for something new, something fresh. If you look at all the other international sides, their (the Springboks’) dominant tackle stats are much higher defensively than anyone else.

“They had 15 percent dominant tackles, which is really, really high. If you look at the British and Irish Lions, the Wallabies, the All Blacks, and the French on the weekend, you’re looking at under three per cent.

Well his perfoimanmces indcates othewise - so I am sorry but you are shitspreading again. You look for what you imagined happened - but it has no relationship with wat really happened So live on in your world of dreams.

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Says the biggest Shitspreader of them all - AKA = Uncle Crazy Mike.

The poor availability of stats for us couch-enthusiasts is a sad state of affair. ESPN's Opta pulls were at least something even though it still left out helpful stats like turnovers and dominant tackles, but now we don't even have that.

Listen - when you cn answer a quewstion - which you, Pakie and Plaum refuse oa nswer and that is why Esterhuizen after plaing at center 18 times and playing in 20 tests is uable to score tries, Asnswer that question and yu can understnd what Esterhuizen lacks.

Since the hullabaloo on this site years ago I started folloiwng the cameras to see where Esterhizen is during games,

He gopes absent for up to 10 minutes at times or being shwon. When De Allende is fighting to get a turnover he quickly get back in defesnive position - when Esterhuizen is involve he vanished Esterhuizen rarely try to make a turnover - he stands around the forwds in such situations and if the ball goes out to the opposition backlinme he is just not there to defend against the opposiiton backline or even forwards attacks. That results in tests - an example was one of the forwards, scoing a try in the Italian tests and the result of Esterhizen not being in acenter position to defend when defence is necessary.

My advcice is what I try to do in te case of Esterhuizen and follow him in matches to see what he really is up to.and what contriutions he is making. in matches. That to my mind is why Erasmus takes a chance to see what Esterhuizen contributes to matches and the answer is negative.

Listen - when you cn answer a quewstion - which you, Pakie and Plaum refuse oa nswer and that is why Esterhuizen after plaing at center 18 times and playing in 20 tests is uable to score tries, Asnswer that question and yu can understnd what Esterhuizen lacks.

Since the hullabaloo on this site years ago I started folloiwng the cameras to see where Esterhizen is during games,

He went absent for up to 10 minutes at times or being shown. When De Allende is fighting to get a turnover he quickly get back in defesnive position - when Esterhuizen is involve he vanished Esterhuizen rarely try to make a turnover - he stood around amongst the forwads in such situations and if the ball went out to the opposition backline he is just not there to defend against the opposiiton backline or even forward attacks. That results in tests - an example was one of the forwards, scoing a try in the Italian tests and the result of Esterhizen not being in at th e center position to defend when defence is necessary.

My advcice is what I try to do in te case of Esterhuizen and follow him in matches to see what he really is up to.and what contriutions he is making. in matches. Tha to my mind is why Erasmus takes a chance to see what Esterhuizen contributes to matches and the answer is a negative.

"The poor availability of stats for us couch-enthusiasts is a sad state of affair. ESPN's Opta pulls were at least something even though it still left out helpful stats like turnovers and dominant tackles, but now we don't even have that."

True, odd that SS don't publish no proper match stats...why is it not public.

"Nah. you're just avoiding the fact that he doesn't keep with play. DDA is where he is and he gets involved in rucks that are near him. That's about it."

I'm not avoiding anything. I don't have an agenda. Like I said, I'll check this in particular vs Aus...I'm not saying it isn't so, I just havn't noticed him always lagging behind.

Listen - when you cn answer a quewstion - which you, Pakie and Plaum refuse oa nswer and that is why Esterhuizen after plaing at center 18 times and playing in 20 tests is uable to score tries, Asnswer that question and yu can understnd what Esterhuizen lacks.

DDA has featured in 94 tests and has failed to score a try in 82 of those. Esterhuizen has failed to score a try in 21 tests. You're labouring a point that is of little significance and a comparison that is impossible to make due to the vast discrepancy in the amount of tests between these two players.

Pakie you wasting your time with Crazy Mike….

Honestly he is the only Fool still carrying on like a lunatic about Esterhuisen, and yet again AE is in the Bok Squad for OZ tour.

Chew on that Uncle and keep quiet as you making a Fool of yourself:)

And for goodness sake damit, do something about your spelling!!

I know you can write properly, stop acting to try and get attention….

Those believing they saw dreamed up by themselves and then claimed on site it it really happened learnt a lot from Mozart and how to distort performances of players, If you ask them a simple question like the following they refuse to answer:-

How come in 20 tets played Esterhuizen never scored a try?

It probably set a record for backline players playing for the Springboks not to score any tries jn 20 tests they plaed for the Springboks,

‘Probably because he was making try assists like the one against Australia on July 8th 2023 You did lie and claim he made no try assist in all his tests. And repeated the lie here:

- your choice Esterhuisen never is and that s the reason why he cannot score tries neither assist in scoring of tries,

Lies made on the assumption nobody will verify your statement. Nobody should believe a word you write.

Apart from the try assist, Esterhozen beat 5 tackles, made 1 clean break and made 56 metres in that game.

I was a joke Draad…not ridicule. Sense of humor lacks a bit, loosen up man, not everything is dark.

Ja, ja...my sense of humor is just fine...chilled as ice...all OK then. :-)

Mozart

How many actual lies you spread on site about Erasmus Du Toit and De Allende? The count is endless and must have happened hundreds of times,

"Probably because he was making try assists like the one against Australia on July 8th 2023 You did lie and claim he made no try assist in all his tests. And repeated the lie here."

Watch the following highlight package liar - Esterhuizen did not have a hand in any of the tries scored. Zero - zero and zero,

https://www.google.com/search?q=Rugby+tests+against+Australia+in+2023&rlz=1C1YTUH_enZA1068ZA1070&oq=Rugby+tests+against+Australia+in+2023+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCjM5NzYzajBqMTWoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:d36cb9f5,vid:JVqEAiwIOLo,st:0

So what shit are you coming up with next.rugby dofdoos. But then you apparently do not know what a try assist means. And your lies about what happens in matched are always clear - you used at least 5 000 repetative lies to discredit Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende - so what else is new. Over he past 7 years 80% of your rugby inputs dealt with those 3 and all are distorted lies. .

Watch the following highlight package liar - Esterhuizen did not have a hand in any of the tries scored. Zero - zero and zero,

Minute 1:14 in the video clock he passes to Arendse to score. That is a try assist. This has been pointed out to you before.

He apssed the ball - great news wqoth bugger-all. That does not represent try-assist - if it was D e Allnde would have had a 100 try-assists. If he drew in the defenders by treatening to score himself it would have been a try assist. Obviously merely passing the ball to the next player does not represent a try assist. But then you really are stupid and Dave is right about it. Let me give you an example in the test against Georgia. De Allende drew in defenders and then made a dribble kick opening the way for Kriel to score a try since their were no playrs behind the defensive lne to prevent the scoring. A player who made a line break and caused an overlap on wither side of him represens a try assist, .

Maaik, play nice... :-)

He apssed the ball - great news wqoth bugger-all. That does not represent try-assist

The definition of a try assist is that you feed the try scorer. If you don't pass/kick the ball to them, they don't score. You can't change these things to suit your narratives. They are what they are. If you don't like what an assist is, stop banging on about assists in your ramblings.

"He apssed the ball - great news wqoth bugger-all. That does not represent try-assist - if it was D e Allnde would have had a 100 try-assists. If he drew in the defenders by treatening to score himself it would have been a try assist. Obviously merely passing the ball to the next player does not represent a try assist. But then you really are stupid and Dave is right about it. Let me give you an example in the test against Georgia. De Allende drew in defenders and then made a dribble kick opening the way for Kriel to score a try since their were no playrs behind the defensive lne to prevent the scoring. A player who made a line break and caused an overlap on wither side of him represens a try assist, ."

So does that mean that DDA's try against Georgia doesn't count for him since he did nothing to score it but catch the ball?

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Let me give you an example in the test against Georgia. De Allende drew in defenders and then made a dribble kick opening the way for Kriel to score a try since their were no playrs behind the defensive lne to prevent the scoring.

Fantasy tries like this that never happened also don't count :)

T TA CG PG DGC PTS

W RouxFB 0 0 0 0 0 0

C MoodieW 0 0 0 0 0 0

L AmC 0 1 0 0 0 0

A EsterhuizenC 0 1 0 0 0 0

K ArendseW 3 0 0 0 0 15

M LibbokFH 0 0 3 1 0 9

C ReinachSH 0 0 0 0 0 0

As you can see the second column is try assists. Stop lying Clever

Mozart

If that is a trya ssist one ahs to wonder how many try assits De Allende created,

Hwever he stats gave his value 100% - a long list of zeroes of no real value, in the test and one maybe try assist. - nothing else contributed, He should have a perormance rating of 2 out of 10 for that performance,

That is the points scored section of the stats ou Maaik. Esterhuizen obviously did not score any conversions, penalty goals or dropped goals.

It was a try assist….something you claimed he had never done. You just took a chance, claimed that thinking nobody could check it. Outed yet again as the most dishonest poster on the Board.

The good news is that the DDA days are almost over.

I can deal with most of the players but he just adds absolutely nothing for me.

Lucky we indeed are - the days of De Allnde may be over - but the days with Esterhuizen never started. He was a flop in any tess he playe in since 2018 and never produced anything of value. Mozart claimed he has had a trya ssist - but for he rest never carried a ball over the gain line - never made as tackle and did nothing of any cnseqnce in that test, A long list of zeroes is all he produced.

Esterhuizen in 20 tests never scored a try - not once - because he is not where the action was and totally lack ball sense and pace.

So does that mean that DDA's try against Georgia doesn't count for him since he did nothing to score it but catch the ball?

St Esterhuizen in hi playng caeer - once fr the Junirs in 2014 and onme in a test he played in in 2018 had similar opportunie and e kncked on the ball from similar and very ood passes and his tryscoring still sits without any ty being scored,

That is the points scored section of the stats ou Maaik. Esterhuizen obviously did not score any conversions, penalty goals or dropped goals.

That is tragic BS spreading - look at the stats of Libok and you fnd you are talking rampant shit a per normal

That is tragic BS spreading - look at the stats of Libok and you fnd you are talking rampant shit a per normal

M LibbokFH 0 0 3 1 0 9

3 conversions, 1 penalty = 9 points. A child can figure this out. Well, an honest child. A lying geriatric apparently struggles.

Pakie

Yet Kriel scored that try and accoding to you it never happened, Those who prey up BS is at it again/

I do not watch rugby with tainted glasses made up by prejudice and comng up with regular BS like yu always spread.

Mozart knows full well that ESPN stats does not cover isssues like defence and attack and came up wth his own BS on site.

The stats he used is just the sane as all the fairy tales and lied he came up over he years.

What amazed me is that Plum, Mpower, .and Mozart came up with, Iwill give youa simple example - a kick was made and the ball carrier was caught two meters out and there were to Springboks trying to get the ball back, There were wo Springbks backline players at the breakdown - so where ws St Esterhuizen/ He was jogging along between the 10 and 22 meter line, So there were no follow-up in existence.in te case by Esterhuizen.- by the time he got to near o the breakdown the Italians ad already g ot he abll abck and kicked it out. St Esterhuizen did not have to walk back far to get into the Springbok defensive line caused by the line out that followed - so he did a slow follow-up - which Plum accused De Allende ith.

We hav e a follow-up for De Allende in the form of Damian Willemse, At least he is a thinkin g player - totally absent in te\he case of St Esterhuzen. At 31 of age he is hopeless in performances and ahas beena fring playe used when De Allende was rested or could not play. Despite all the clasims he was mostly a player in name - but then

produced nothing in games - so what he represent is not a bssis for him to claim he should replace De Allende - zero evidence of that. It team selection depends on what Mozart and you as well as Plaum and Mpower - South Arcia woud still be in he nubers 5 to 7 in tehrankings with no tropihes show. So ou four BSters knows nothinga bout rugby other han to claim you know more ofRugby than Erasmus knows, On that four yous hare the same level of rugby and coaching displayed of the ollowing:-

1. White efectively fired by SARU in 2008 - fored by the Sharks in 2014 - Montpellier in 2017 ad nw by the Bulls'
2. Meyer - fired by SaARU in 2015 and follwoing that u by bbeing fored by Satade Francais because he was nt a coach's arse;
3. Fired by SARU in April 2017 and that was followed up by his firing from his Japan club

Erasmsus has also all the performance records in matches avaiable and all the actual performances and that reflect the real performances of all the players and on that he base his decisions. Not on the BS spreading by the four site pretended rugby site experts always pretending they know somehing about rugby.

Let me give you an example in the test against Georgia. De Allende drew in defenders and then made a dribble kick opening the way for Kriel to score a try since their were no playrs behind the defensive lne to prevent the scoring.

Here is the Georgia test highlights. Watch and tell me when this happened. Good luck too, because Kriel wasn't even in that game.

You're probably referring to Arendse's try against the Barbarians.

Sorry - it happened in the test aainst the Italians, against which De Allende scored his try.

"It team selection depends on what Mozart and you as well as Plaum and Mpower - South Arcia woud still be in he nubers 5 to 7 in tehrankings with no tropihes show. So ou four BSters knows nothinga bout rugby"

I thought you wanted a site where people don't attack each other, Mike?

It appears for all the world that you are attacking us for our opinions.

Well when members accuse me of being a liar I will respond in kind. Mozart a a long history of distorting and lying about whaat happened in matches starting as long ago as 2014. He started off by putting on site what he called Morzoscopes. It represent total distortions of what happened during matches and was total lies,

Mozart is the one who since April 2018 attacked Erasmus appointment and first of lying about his career. A the time he alleed that it would have been better or SARU to retain Coetzee than to appoint Erasmus. Since then he has attacked Erasmus endlessly without regard to performances of the team and even invent stories about Erasmus recevng a honorary doctors degree for his services to rugby and although Erasmus neve rused the description of doctor he used it on site,

As to Du Toit and De Allende he hated hem from 2013 when instead of recruting Matfield after is retirement he went ballistic when some members said it was a huge mistake and that Du Toit was a better option at lock than Mattield.- in the end did it became what was claimed by Dave and me was correct. In the case of De Allende the lies were endlss and went to ridiculous height when Du Toit ws made Player of the Year in 2019 and again in 2024. In 2015 he used nickname for Esterhuizen - but now he support his selection at 12 not on performance but on his lies he was constantly spreading on site,

I can quote dozens of cases where he lied about those two players and that remains the stuation today.

A to following up by De Allende it may be wise if you yourself what happened in ties scored by De Allende against the AB's where you would see you are wrong anway, Esterhuizen never is where he action is and that accounts why it ws impossible for him to score tries in test matches, In one test he was and with an open tryline ahead of him he knocked on a perfect pass to him - which was a reepat of what happened in 2014 when he lost the Under 20 team in the 2014 final against England where e could and should ahve prevented he loss, From at I have seen of Esterhuizen through the years has alway been disappointing - especially on test level. Esterhuizen has zero ball sense and is never where he needs to be both in attacking and defense. That s why Erasmus does not rate him as a test playng cener and moved him to flank forward on two matches.

My problem is that I blieve what rugby expert says about performances of players and that is why I discard site airy tales on site, Erasmus is a top class coach - but if one has to belief them he is a total rugby idiot, So keep criticizing the coach and playes based on your own impressions - you are entiled to write what you please - but hn members oppose ou dieas theya re not liars,

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But, Mike...you were proved to be lying.

It's not attacking if its true.

You're a conservative. You prefer facts over feelings, don't you?

I can quote dozens of cases where he lied about those two players and that remains the stuation today.

Quote them.

No I m not lying, De Allende scored two tries against the All Blacks - if he was not following up accoding to our laims he ould not score a try you claim those two tries would not have scored,by him. I have never mce see Estehuizen making a lie break in any tests he played in and that led to a sustained attack by the Springboks or toscoring of tries.

If you are seeing the try De Allende scored in the Quartefinal f teh RWC in 2023 you would realise that he followed up the kick and when the ball came back after him being tasckled he got back into t e attacking line so quickly that when the ball was passed to him he break through the back in the line to receive he ball and score the tery. If he did not follow up the kick and caught the kicked ball that try would never have been scored,

As to the break by Williams where were the rest of h e backline when it happened they were all in a line withe ach other and not only got behind catching up with Williams. So that incident is not typical what happened in amtches. Pakie photos are always shit and he always used the photos to attack certain players.

By the way there is a rugby system computer system that enabled the coaching staff on international and even lower levels used by coaches to follow every step of individual players during matches. Tht program was developed in 2014 and Meyer reuse to use it - neither did White ever used it at the Sharks or the Bulls, Theprgram was available to bot - but using it was not an issue the two coaches regarded as acceptable becuas ei interfered with their team selections. Coetzee was just too stupid to understand it.

Erasmus is a compter addict when it comes to team selections and his partner were Jones - who went to England coaching set-up - but back with the Springboks, The do not only study the Spring boks team perormances - but also those of opposition teams and used that to deterine the most effective mach plan against teams. They know th strong and weak points of every opposiiton team and the result is to attack the weak points of the oppositon teams in matches, Be assured Erasms and Jones knows exactly how matches to be played to assure maximum wins.

They also know what Esterhuizen's contibution in test matches amounted to and that is why Esterhuizen was not in the 2019 RWC squad, When Kriel had to be replaced - Erasmus and Jones believe Willeme was the best option and he was called up to replace,Kril and not Esterhuizen.

In the 2023 RWC - Esterhuizen was only used in the tests against Georgia and Tonga, but in all other tests it was De Allende. In 2024 in his only test he palyed in against Wales he got red-carded in in minute 3 of that match for a dangerous tackle and receved a 4 week ban. The problem was that the Springboks wnted to see whether Esterhuizen would be able to fit into te backline by playing in that test and he buggerd p totally that opportunity by being ordered off the field at minute 3 and his only oter est in 2024 was against Scotland where he showed nothing when it came out to performances.

Those programmes showe so far he jsut does nt fit in and I hink if De Allende is not sed in tests at 12 - Willemse would be the pick at 12 aainst Esterhuizen. It would have been better if Esterhuizen played as a loosie and not at 12 where in all the tests he played in he never staked a real claim to be the frontline center in the team. Without having the full record of performances of the team members indicvidually - which we do not have - I believe his e career is at deaths door. We wil see - but if he is not the first choice center this year - he never will be.

By the way the experts who picks th World Player of th year has accesso the relevant compuer analysis and that is why they pickd Du Toit a player f the year in both 2019 and 2024 and hat is hy for years De Allende is at12 in World rugby since 2019. So we re abrking up te wrong team based on single instances in amtches - we base or opinions on hat we think happens because we like or dislike players - which in the case of real rugby experts believe is not the case.

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Those programmes showe so far he jsut does nt fit in

And now you're trying to tell us you know what software that you have never in your life laid your eyes on would indicate about a certain player. Stop these long essays of shit you suck from your thumb, it adds nothing of value to this forum.

Plum and Pakie,

BB posted a video undr the Cricket component about a criicket match involving a match Hero S eries tophy match between Eng land and S A in whiich A B de villier son his own won the match, When the match is over four videos open up four new videos One of those is the RWC 2023 quarterfial between SA and France.

You can find the videoin teh following posting.

Posted by: bobbok... (7959 posts)

Aug 01, 2025, 09:34

In the video in minutes 16 to 18 something happned thata ccording to you did not happen. So please come back to us on why what happened means nothing in real terms..

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65653221/science-of-precognition-explained/

Just for you Moz. ;-)...

What am I going to do without Dud Allende and Dud Toit, it could get boring.

All hope is on Jurenzo Juju Malema Julius and Evan Roos.

Not surre JJ will make it into the team...Roos neither for that matter...

Ja it will be tough to find as terrible an incumbent as DDA to bitch about. Don't think even JJ can fill those shoes, he's actually got some fire about him.

Die Elendeling is not that bad man!

Not that good either :)

Jurenzo has to be picked first before we can critique his role. To date despite Dave’s protestations he just looks like a slow fattie to me. Perhaps some projection on Mounjaro’s part.

Roos is a talent but seems conflicted as to how to use the talent. But it matters little, either he or Roos senior have upset Dr Lucky and he remains in outer darkness.

You guys forget, Manie will be around for a while.