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Nov 18, 2021, 22:43

Jaco Peyper denied in 'robust and direct terms' a Nic Berry claim 5:46pm, 18 November 2021 By Liam Heagney

INTERNATIONAL SOUTH AFRICA

It has emerged from the evidence given at the Rassie Erasmus misconduct hearing that Test level referee Jaco Peyper was at odds with his colleague Nic Berry regarding their recollection of a telephone call between them last July in the wake of the first Test win by the Lions over the Springboks. The fallout from that match resulted in this week’s heavy sanction for Erasmus, the Springboks director, who was banned from all rugby for two months and from any matchday involvement until the end of September 2022.

The suspension stemmed from criticisms made by Erasmus about Berry, the Australian referee who was in charge of the Test series opener in Cape Town, and the 80-page written judgment published since the ban was announced has shed light on how the entire case played out.

One sticking point went unresolved, however – the different opinions that were given in evidence by Peyper, a South African referee, and Berry regarding the phone call that took place between them at 7:51pm on July 25, the day after the Lions has struck the first blow in the Test series against the Springboks.

Their detailed evidence was set out in the post-hearing document published by the judicial committee. In it, it outlined what was said at the hearing by Berry and fellow referee Peyper. “I’m able to get Jaco on the phone,” said Berry. “We speak for ten minutes. He tells me that Rassie has called him and wants him to comment on the clips.

“Jaco refuses and said that it is unprofessional and out of protocol. He says that Rassie is putting AJ Jacobs under pressure to comment on the clips as he is in camp with the SA team. We discuss the fact that Rassie has threatened to leak footage on social media. I ask Jaco for his advice and he suggests that I should try and get ahead of it and respond to Rassie’s clips.”

In contrast, Peyper claimed: “Mr Berry did not indicate to me that Rassie threatened to leak footage on social media. He only asked for my advice whether he should provide answers to the video clips received from the Springbok management team and I recommended that from experience he should do so, as that often defuses the media reporting the next day as teams now engage with the referee and not the mainstream rugby media.

“My view, as expressed to Mr Berry during the telephonic conversation, was that it would be preferable for him to engage with the Springbok management team rather than to ignore the request as in my experience, providing a response has had the effect of diffusing tensions between coaches and referees. This, in turn, leads to fewer comments in the media about refereeing decisions from previous matches and an increased focus on preparations for upcoming matches.”

In their summation of these two contradictory pieces of evidence, the judicial committee wrote: “We considered with care the evidence of Jacob Peyper. He denied that during the call at 19.51 that night Nic Berry told him that Rassie Erasmus had threatened to leak the clips on social media. He denied in robust and direct terms that Nic Berry showed him a draft version of his statement which Nic Berry said he approved.

“Nic Berry was more circumspect in his evidence and characterised the difference as one of recollection. We do not need to resolve that dispute between refereeing colleagues. There is ample evidence, which we accept, which supports Nic Berry’s version of events.”

Nov 18, 2021, 23:17

Why not Peyper the liar….how do you know who lied? Certainly Peyper has every reason to deny this  given the South African support for Erasmus. Berry by contrast knows a lie could be contradicted by Peyper. So why would he lie?

Nov 18, 2021, 23:24

Because Berry comes across as about as credible as his reffing calls

Nov 19, 2021, 06:50

"He denied in robust and direct terms that Nic Berry showed him a draft version of his statement which Nic Berry said he approved."

So there were two lies...I don't like Peyper much, but I can't comment on his integrity. Berry is making huge accusations without backing it up with evidence.  That, together with his 6 blatantly wrong calls makes this even more suspect...maybe he is acrook and not merely bias...like I said earlier, this isn't over...not even close.


Nov 19, 2021, 09:31

Berry has shot himself in the foot. First, by his own admission he made 17 mistakes. That shows he is a frot ref at best and most likely a cheat. Now his lies about Rassie are being strongly rejected by Jaco

Again I say what evidence have the IRB of wrong doing by Rassie?

This is why I would like this to be handled in a open hearing court of law.

Anti Bok and anti Rassie turncoat Mozzzz batting as hard as he can for Berry and bent reffing..

Nov 19, 2021, 09:39

Berry Basically saying that Jaco failed to remember what would have been the key point in a conversation.

“Hi Joe.”

Hello Jack.”

“Joe, I have have cancer but would love for us to have dinner at least once before I die.”

(4 months later)

“Did Joe mention having cancer?”

“Dunno, but he did invite me out for dinner.”

What a crock of absolute shyte. How do people buy this stuff?????

Nov 19, 2021, 09:45

“Why not Peyper the liar….how do you know who lied? Certainly Peyper has every reason to deny this given the South African support for Erasmus. Berry by contrast knows a lie could be contradicted by Peyper. So why would he lie?”

Because this wasn’t a court case but rather a decision by committee.

It’s not hard to imagine Berry being told that he should stick to his story as the committee will back him regardless.

On balance of probability, Berry and WR have way more incentive to be deceitful than Jaco does.

Nov 19, 2021, 09:51

Well, atleat one of the two is a liar...

"denied in robust and direct terms"

Berry is telling porkies...don't be surprized if he litigates for damages too...won't be surprised if he leaked the video himself.

 
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