Tough Newlands wicket, but…

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Jan 03, 2024, 22:28

…some incredibly inept batting by the Proteas. Elgar and de Zorsi out twice in a day. I can’t remember that before. But until Markram stood up in the second innings, no Protea batsmen showed any fortitude.


If this is happening at Newlands, what is going to happen to our third team in NZ?

Jan 03, 2024, 22:59

Can’t believe a one day specialist like Stubbs is now suddenly our test batting number 4

It’s insulting

Stubbs failed to secure a spot in the short format of the game so how the fuck does this coach think he is now our answer in tests?

Surely if you are taking the likes of van Tonder and de Swart to NZ as young bats then give them a go against India in the absence of Bavuma

Is this not obvious?

Jan 03, 2024, 23:29

22 Wickets fall in the first day of a test??? C'mon give me a break, you'd expect that to happen in T20 not in test cricket. No-one wins, not the sponsors, players the spectators and  TV coverage, test cricket is about 5 days of an engrossing battle. The curator got it hopelessly wrong and then some.

Jan 03, 2024, 23:55

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-2nd-test-1387604/full-scorecard

Dankie vok, forgetting about the test ................. imagine staying up all night for such a gemors.


Jan 04, 2024, 06:19

"Over the last few years, a new building has gone up at Newlands, at the Calvin Grove End, which may affect the wind channels at the ground. There has also been a new groundsperson, Braam Mong, in place for the last two years and this is his first Test pitch. But rather than dwell on those things, South Africa's brain-trust credited India's attack for their disciplines early on, with Prince saying Siraj bowled "one of the spells of his life"

Jan 04, 2024, 10:41

There has also been a new groundsperson, Braam Mong, in place for the last two years and this is his first Test pitch

Lets hope it's his last.

Jan 04, 2024, 11:39

Test over in less than two days - what a fuck up test cricket has become

Is this state of affairs meant to be progression?

Gone are the days players dig in and fight it out building an innings

Instead you see stupid shots like the ones I saw Beddingham and Verreynne trying to execute along with all the other rash dismissals I did not bother watching

The fact that there has been a shift in how test cricket is played thanks to the boring T20 shit that gets shoved down our throats coupled with how shit the Proteas side is these days, has me either not watching cricket in total or switching channels when I do decide to watch.

For some time now our test side has been the worst I can recall. And by that I effectively mean our bats. We have a top 6 that don’t average much over 30, that are mostly made up of 30 or close year olds. There is just nothing to get excited about. I feel for our impressive attack having to endure such inferior batting team mates. No wonder KG at times seems to have lost his mojo. What’s the point of getting fired up only to have your bats let you down each time

I bet KG wishes he was born 10 years earlier

Jan 04, 2024, 12:32

That Newlands wicket sure made a difference to both teams performance.

22 wickets falling in day one of a test match?

Does anyone know of another such a fall of wickets on the first day of a test?


Jan 04, 2024, 13:09

Well Kohli showed one could bat on it as did Markram on day two

We just have a piss poor bunch of bats

Jan 04, 2024, 15:54

Verrynne ….remember a few years back when he was the flavor of the day. This was his chance to shine, keepers get the feel of the wicket better than other bats. And he is essentially a prodder of the ball…glances, cuts. 

With our limited batting talent pool we  need to play our best players through all the formats. A Dussen may have helped in these tough conditions.

Jan 04, 2024, 16:08

I had chat to Verreynne at the airport when I was in SA in March, it was at the time he had been dumped in favour of Klassen. He had been the only one that had come out of the previous series with some credit and then got inexcusably dropped.

But yeah he like the rest have failed

Rassie has always been a complete failure in the true format of the game. His poor technique has always been exposed at test level and he is now too old. He turns 35 next month and in my books always been substandard

Jan 04, 2024, 17:57



22 Wickets fall in the first day of a test??? 

Wasn't it 23 wickets?


We've got a whole team of noobs...gonna take a lot of time to build a proper test team from this rabble...lots of potential,  but no cohesion...poor succession planning...the ANC way...wasn't expecting anything better...

Jan 04, 2024, 20:32

DbD even worse that I thought.

Shocking.

Well according to the records the Proteas now own the title (of losing a test) that is the shortest one in cricket history.

What a shambles.

The NZ cricket squad must be looking forward to the test series against the SA Crickets.


Jan 05, 2024, 00:38

Kinda think these two would know better than the armchair critics.....

South Africa were surprised by the pace of the Newlands pitch on the first day of the New Year's Test but both stand-in captain Dean Elgar and batting consultant Ashwell Prince stopped short of out-and-out criticism of the surface.

"It (The pitch) generally plays a little bit slower and as a batter you can adjust to that. This one just seemed to get quicker as the session went on," Elgar told Star Sports in his post-match interview.

Prince, who spent the bulk of his career with Cape Town as his base, was more strident in his observations and claimed he had "never seen a Newlands pitch like this before," because in addition to the way the ball accelerated off the surface, there was also variable bounce and seam movement. "I've never seen the pitch that quick on day one," Prince said at the post-match press conference. "I don't think as batters you mind the pace in the wicket but then you need the bounce to be consistent. The bounce was a little bit inconsistent with some keeping low and some bouncing quite steeply. There's also the seam movement, which you don't mind on day one but if you have the seam movement with consistent bounce, then it's a different situation."

The bounce was also notably different at either end. With bowlers operating from the Wynberg End - where Mohammed Siraj took his first innings six-fer - the bounce was up and down, while at the Kelvin Grove End - where Lungi Ngidi took three wickets in an over - some deliveries reared up. "There was a lot steeper bounce that way," Elgar said, pointing to the crease he would have been standing at with Ngidi bowling to him. "And that side, it was a little bit lower. So I don't know what to make of it."

Having played 19 first-class matches at Newlands, including one earlier this season, Elgar came into the match confident he would know what to make of the surface, even though its mottled look was different to its usual even-tone.

"From the naked eye it actually didn't look too bad," he said. "The wickets of the past, even domestically, haven't played at all badly. They've actually been quite good. It didn't look horrible."

Still, he expected it to retain its bat-first quality and decided to stick to that but knowing this wicket was going to play like that, "I would not have chosen it," he said.

Prince also backed the bat-first decision at the toss. "If we had arrived here today with overcast conditions, then perhaps (we would have bowled). But we arrived here with blue skies and even though there was a tinge on the surface, I don't think our batters are ever bothered when there is a bit of bounce on the pitch as long as the bounce is consistent and the movement is consistent."

The bounce was also notably different at either end. With bowlers operating from the Wynberg End - where Mohammed Siraj took his first innings six-fer - the bounce was up and down, while at the Kelvin Grove End - where Lungi Ngidi took three wickets in an over - some deliveries reared up. "There was a lot steeper bounce that way," Elgar said, pointing to the crease he would have been standing at with Ngidi bowling to him. "And that side, it was a little bit lower. So I don't know what to make of it."

Having played 19 first-class matches at Newlands, including one earlier this season, Elgar came into the match confident he would know what to make of the surface, even though its mottled look was different to its usual even-tone.

"From the naked eye it actually didn't look too bad," he said. "The wickets of the past, even domestically, haven't played at all badly. They've actually been quite good. It didn't look horrible."

Still, he expected it to retain its bat-first quality and decided to stick to that but knowing this wicket was going to play like that, "I would not have chosen it," he said.

Prince also backed the bat-first decision at the toss. "If we had arrived here today with overcast conditions, then perhaps (we would have bowled). But we arrived here with blue skies and even though there was a tinge on the surface, I don't think our batters are ever bothered when there is a bit of bounce on the pitch as long as the bounce is consistent and the movement is consistent."

Asked if he would rate the pitch poorly, Prince also chose his words carefully. "One team can get bowled out. I remember a Test in India, where they had a formidable batting line-up, and we bowled them out before lunch on day one. If you give a top-quality attack, bowler-friendly conditions then they can do some serious damage," he said. "To sum things up, if both line-ups can't bat on the surface, that says a lot."

Jan 15, 2024, 10:29

As soon as Proteas Test batting coach Ashwell Prince submitted his diagnosis of the Newlands pitch for the second Test between South Africa and India, it was clear that a demerit point was inevitable for the Western Province Cricket Association (WPCA).

After 23 wickets fell on day one, former Western Province batter and coach Prince said, “Some of the things I’ve seen today, I’ve never seen at Newlands before”, and he went on to say, “If both line-ups can’t bat on the surface, that says a lot”.

There it was: Prince had given a hint to the WPCA to brace themselves for a low rating of the pitch from match referee Chris Broad, the International Cricket Council (ICC) and the two captains, Dean Elgar and Rohit Sharma.

On Tuesday, the ICC rated the Newlands pitch as “unsatisfactory”, saying match Broad’s report expressed “the concerns of the match officials and … captains Elgar and Sharma, both of whom felt that the pitch was below standard”.

The main concerns were the uneven bounce and the quickness of the surface on the opening day of the Test match, which only worsened on day two, where 10 more wickets fell before the conclusion of the second session.

 
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