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Jan 01, 2022, 16:44

The Protea’s “Peloton” is just too far gone for Quinton de Kock.

The word ” PELOTON ” is of French origin, meaning little ball or platoon.

In cycling, it refers to the main group of riders – riding in formation.

The purpose of the peloton is to create leverage – to do more with less – hence creating what is effectively an ‘elastic band effect’, which saves the finite energy of the lead rider in the team.

It’s about FORMATION, COLLABORATION, ALIGNMENT and UNITY .

By riding close and behind other riders (drafting, slipstreaming), the reduction in drag is dramatic.

The peloton travels as an integrated unit similar in some respects to birds flying in formation.

It is like an orchestra in virtuoso.

It is this“PELOTON EFFECT” which has been proven by sports scientists to be energy efficient

– with studies showing an energy conservation of up to 40%.

It works in all forms of sport and life as well.

Cricket is no exception.

But, when the ‘PELOTON EFFECT ‘simply does not exist – the very opposite actually occurs.

The energy loss in the team (and individuals) can be a staggering 40 %.

It is this staggering loss of energy that puts any team on the back foot from the outset.

No matter what smiles or brave faces the Proteas may try to put on after their “change room pep talks”– their peloton does not exist.

Destructed by continued chaotic and inconsistent boardroom decision making.

Over time this constraint takes an exacting toll on all the players – and coaches.

The result is the team become “The Losers” before the game even begins – no matter what team spirit the captain or coach tries to muster up.

Each and every player can only take so much before they make their own individual calls in sport & life.

Over a protracted period “Mental Exhaustion” comes dominantly into play – and ” Playing Form” evaporates – while hope diminishes.

Quinton de Kock is no exception as an exceptional player – and human being.

He has watched for too long how the the Proteas are finding it near impossible to turn a ship with a broken rudder – a dysfunctional board.

With no peloton in CRICKET SA, and very little hope of things changing for the better, Quinton de Kock in making his own “self preservation / family call” – has made the right move for now.

Sometimes the world’s best players take breaks though ‘forced’ injury – sometimes they take breaks through ‘forced’ circumstances – often it is all for the best.

“I’m doing what my heart is telling me is best.” Quinton de Kock

Quinton de Kock can always return if things right themselves at the top of Cricket South Africa.

Sometimes, hope does spring.

Jan 01, 2022, 17:22

Exactly...he and a few others have been trying for years now...there's simply too much to do for him and a few individuals to cope...and if Graeme and Bouch can't do it, there is no fix...it's some other problem and a big one at that...fools at the top micro-managing the experts into mediocrity...job well done!

Jan 01, 2022, 17:59

CSA’s board are the equivalent of a “my daddy owns the company” manager.

Burn it to the ground. Burn it all down and let’s see if the ANC can build something of their own for once instead of simply usurping that which they had nothing to do with creating.

I’m involved in a quasi-government organisation in SA. The industry it oversees generates many hundreds of millions in Tax revenue for the country. A new CEO was recently appointed. She’s the right colour and gender…it doesn’t matter that she doesn’t have a single clue about the industry’s itself.

Of course not. That’s what SA does. We force BEE onto the country and then rely on white entrepreneur’s tax money to fund the fiasco.

Jan 01, 2022, 18:18

Te above article is probably the nearest it comes to the real reason for Quinton's departure from test cricket.    The whole situation as to professional management of cricket in SA is pathetic and the team has no strong leadership group as a result.   

l players are performing below par - the fast bowlers bowling at a pace never described as real fast bowling.   The batsmen are about as lethargy as they come and low scores ar and it sd e he norm.   Selections are not made on merit and the racism in evidence is pathetic.  Obsrving BLM is more important than playing cricket.   after even 

I  sick of what is going on since 2019.   When Boucher became Coach and Smith the Director of Cricket we all hoped that corrective action would be taken.   Instead of getting o  better  it got even 'worse.    It is evident that the malaise could not be handled  by two proven  professionals /    Those two are now being  accused of racism so it is time that they call it a day and state clearly what the problem is.        .  

 

Jan 01, 2022, 18:18

What balls, if anybody is culpable for our WC failures it’s de Kock…now he’s, guess what, a victim again. This is the loser mentality that haunts South African sport.

Jan 01, 2022, 18:51

Moz seeing it as clear as mud as usual

The world says it’s white, Moz calls it black

I’m not happy de Kock has chucked in the towel but I also have no appreciation of how bad things are thanks to CSA

But as Draad says - if Smith and Boucher can’t fix it, no one can and therein lies the crux

Jan 01, 2022, 22:52

They can’t fix it because we simply don’t have the players….those 2 youngsters in the Indian test would never have smelt the team 10 years ago. We are going through a trough. The supposed big talents Markram and Ock have never come through for the team….except Markram had a decent T20 WC. Rabada, the Steyn replacement is fading. Many of our best kids are playing for other countries.

All these new names look pretty ordinary at top level….there is no Gibbs, Kallis, Steyn, Donald, AB de Villiers.

Jan 01, 2022, 23:26

Mozart

Dream on - your comments have zero to do with player potential and everything to do with politicized player selections.    That is where the problem  gets shown up in public.   The whole structure collapsed with SA Cricket going downhill fast  over the past decade and reached crisis point by 2018/19.

Without a supportive structure anymore  the  Management structure of SAC became corrupted   It became a political extension of the ANC.    The system was flawed - the results disastrous.      

Jan 02, 2022, 02:20

"Without a supportive structure anymore  the  Management structure of SAC became corrupted   It became a political extension of the ANC.    The system was flawed - the results disastrous."

I'll re-phrase.....

CSA failed to be a supportive structure instead it's become a tool of the ANC, the tool is there to implement the political agenda of the ANC through Transformation. The general advancement of cricket has decayed and died a silent death at the hands of the ANC political agenda. What we see in the squad and team is representative of the political agenda of the ANC sealed and delivered by their stooges, CSA. Putting it plainly it means that there has to be 7 POC's in the team regardless of whether they have the ability........on the swing it says "white boy".......... we don't want you, you are of the wrong pigmentation.

The simple truth is that the only criteria for selection is pigmentation of skin, skin colour doesn't grab you a wicket or make you score a ton but that's of zero importance, what's important is that the number of POC's in the team is "right." AB and De Kock became overwhelmed with CSA  hence the reason for their departures. 

Credit to Mike who saw it coming a long time ago. 

Jan 02, 2022, 02:21


Jan 02, 2022, 03:25

So Mike he thinks of his family when playing test cricket at home… but it’s not a problem when he is playing T20 in India? I’m pretty sure Ock would be motivated by actions that affect him. 

The obvious one was the humiliation he suffered when he decided  to not take the knee, placing his sensibilities above those of his team mates.That was very dumb, showing zero understanding of the consequences, but then he is a very dumb lad.

I doubt it has anything to do with quotas, which never affected him anyway. Nor with politics. But he may have got a bit unhappy when the commentators tore a strip off him for his latest gutless batting performance

He has always been given a free pass with these big match implosions on the basis that he was following his instincts. Somebody finally mentioned responsibility to his team mates.

Petulant rather than principled is my guess….but good riddance, he never produced the goods when it counted and now he has become a drama Queen. Time to move on,

Jan 02, 2022, 08:51

In India De Kock played with professional team selections and some of the top coaches in the game is involved - there is no political agenda. involved.   

You as per normal missed the whole scene because of your hatred of De Kock.   You cannot see a demoralized team going through the motions - fast bowlers bowling at 136 kph (Rabada) and even worse  132 kph (Ngidi), batsmen  batting as if they are totally uncommitted.  You cannot see constant failures in performance.   You can see a lot of petty things you attack De Kock on - for the rest the braincells closed off. 

Responsibility for what dimness?   Go and look at Smith and Boucher - they seem  to be in the same hiatus - they go through the motions while being attacked as racialists.   Why is anybody to play for a team selected to lose with duds in the team and with a captain who does not know even about field placings.    Elgar was a failure as captain in the Titans and then at 33 without any real leadership ability made captain of the team.    Whatever you say - he is not a captain's backside.    Van der Dussen should have been  selected years ago - not when hw was 30 year old and now at 32 is in serious decline.   Petersen should never have been in the team and I am afraid Markram is going the same way as De Kock - going through the motions and not applying himself to the job.

One would have hoped that you would be able to see the wider picture - but with you the different and comprehensive picture is not understood  or deliberately ignored because of your personal agenda.    Somewhere  else you called the failed Meyer a better coach than Erasmus - showing the shit has finally taken over the functioning of  your brain.   A brain scan is necessary to see what is to be done iro of your shitbrain dementia.

             

Jan 02, 2022, 12:58

Moz you know nothing about the young players available that are not being selected

Your take on Jansen backfired given his 4 wickets in the second innings

My guess is that Markram and co would have better records if they were playing in a better team environment and in a team that included a better standard of players around them.

What we do know is that there is something very toxic in the current side, evidenced by Rabada lacking fight bowling at 135kph and de Kock throwing in the towel.

We know that the majority of the bats currently playing are past their prime and failing to average over 40 - which speaks volumes for their quality but nothing is done about it.

We see some young bats introduced into the squad like Verreynne, v Tonder and Rickelton but they never get to play

Jan 02, 2022, 13:09

…and Malan.

Guy is nominated for ICC ODI player of the year.

I rate it would occur very rarely that these four names wouldn’t do better than the current set/up, all things being equal.

Rassie and Elgar are not firing frequently enough. And who knows how long Bavuma’s little run of form is gonna last. Quintie is gone now too.

Markram would fit nicely batting lower down the order with the above line-up.

As lazy and uninspiring as the bowling is, they’ve been doing their part sufficiently over the last few tours.

Jan 02, 2022, 14:05

Agreed 100% on Janneman Malan but the selectors seem stupid enough to only select him in the shorter version of the game despite having a FC average of close to 50 in the 4 day game.

Agreed move Markram to 4 where he bats so well in the shorter format and make him captain

I’d ditch Elgar, Petersen and Rassie. As you say de Kock is gone.

I’d replace them with Janneman, Verreynne, v Tonder and Rickelton. I’m not convinced about Bavuma either and aged 31 time is running out.

Mulder is another - if he does not score big soon he has to go. I’d play Andile instead - the lad has fight in him

Jan 02, 2022, 20:30

Actually I agree Malan should be playing, he looked pretty organized to me. Can Verrrreynne do  better than de Kock if he’s picked….it won’t be hard based on 2021 

My take on Jansen remains the same……a kid starting at 135ks is hardly inspiring. He gets a bit of slant and bounce because of his height, hardly exciting.

Jan 02, 2022, 22:48

Well Jansen bowled a 145kph delivery so there is hope. He is only 21. His average pace was around 140kph.

4 wickets in an innings on debut against one of the best test sides in the game is a pretty handy start

Jan 03, 2022, 04:58

Dave you are always talking about time in the gym…..this kid could put on 20 lbs of muscle without any risk of losing his flexibility. He looks very gangly, a bit of strength could make him a factor. The height is always going to be a plus.

Jan 03, 2022, 09:42

I’ll put money on Jansen going over on his ankle at least once a season for the next 14 years :)

What I like is that he looks like he has a bit of a temper. I’m sure he’ll become little quicker too. Perhaps our replacement for Morkel.

What happens when Verrynne succeeds at test level with the bat and gloves? Does Quintie still get selected first for the shorter format?

Jan 03, 2022, 14:58

Jansen has an identical twin brother  Duan who according to Donald is the  better bowler  of the two - but I have heard nothing about him for many months.   Wonder what happened to him?

Jan 03, 2022, 17:43

There is no interest in scoring runs - 18 overs produced 35 runs.     

Jan 03, 2022, 17:43

There is no interest in scoring runs - 18 overs produced 35 runs.     

Jan 03, 2022, 19:29

Maaik, they were doing well before they lost Markham's wicked,  after that, the mission was to end the day without the loss of another wicked...and the light was real bad for the last 1/2 hour...let's hope tomorrow we can build on the good start the bowlers gave us today.

Jan 03, 2022, 20:30

Quintie picked a kak time to retire.

This game, where we don’t need him to, he’ll probably have hit a quick hundred.

Jan 03, 2022, 20:33

"This game, where we don’t need him to,..."

Don't get ahead of the game, there's a lot of work left for tomorrow...but yess, if there's not too much for him to do, he can really take the game away from the opposition...turning a level game into an innings lead of 100+...a valuable weapon to turn potential draws to victories...pity we didn't have a top order to back him up during the last...has it been 3 years already?

Jan 03, 2022, 21:19

We do have a good top order.

They’re just not being selected.

Jan 04, 2022, 21:23

What is Jansen’s twin brother like - I see he plays FC cricket as well

Jan 04, 2022, 21:24

Plum - who would your 6 bats be?

Jan 04, 2022, 21:32

"What is Jansen’s twin brother like"... Maaik says Donald says he's the better bowler of the two...the brother, that is, but I thing the Jansen playing now can bat a bit too...we'll see...

Jan 04, 2022, 21:57

Surely if that was the case he’d be the one playing as there is no way we would be selecting a fast bowler just because he can bat a bit

Will be interesting to see if the brother ever gets a call up

 
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